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Old 28 April 2015, 12:52   #1
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Rib Design - Tips For Manufacturers

From experience here is a list of my likes and dislikes when it comes to Rib design, feel free to add to,


Like
Plenty of hand holds, including around the console
Ropes around the tubes
Plenty storage space
Somewhere you can put things on the console or a glove box, for phone, fags etc
Somewhere to stretch out in the bow, lay down and read a book.
Ladder off the back
A Frames not GRP frames, which are sensible and can carry multiples aerials etc
Decent size tubes under deck, preferably on both sides running into console so you can fit more electronics etc and cables.
Normal sized nav screen.
Seating type options, bolster, jockey or suspension


Dislike
Suicide seats, they just waste space.
Consoles that are difficult to access the back of the electronics
Teh use of any self tapping screw
A Frames which look like they were made for a design students project which have limited real use.
Massive nav screens on ribs, they look daft.
Nav lights fitted to lower part of console, they aint going to be effective, they shoudl be on an A Frame.
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Old 28 April 2015, 13:21   #2
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Hi all

I would add to this list

Wear patches to walk on (my ribs has none)

A d ring which you can easily reach from the pontoon (mine is on the water line and can't be reached unless you go for a swim)

2 batteries or at least a switch to take two if only one is offered

Midships cleats or similar to hang fenders on




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Old 28 April 2015, 13:23   #3
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Get rid of kill cords and make them an accessory



More grab handles for sure, but that's about it. You don't like it, you buy something else.




Engine manufacturers however , would be a different story.
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From experience here is a list of my likes and dislikes when it comes to Rib design, feel free to add to,


Like
Plenty of hand holds, including around the console
Ropes around the tubes
Plenty storage space
Somewhere you can put things on the console or a glove box, for phone, fags etc
Somewhere to stretch out in the bow, lay down and read a book.
Ladder off the back
A Frames not GRP frames, which are sensible and can carry multiples aerials etc
Decent size tubes under deck, preferably on both sides running into console so you can fit more electronics etc and cables.
Normal sized nav screen.
Seating type options, bolster, jockey or suspension


Dislike
Suicide seats, they just waste space.
Consoles that are difficult to access the back of the electronics
Teh use of any self tapping screw
A Frames which look like they were made for a design students project which have limited real use.
Massive nav screens on ribs, they look daft.
Nav lights fitted to lower part of console, they aint going to be effective, they shoudl be on an A Frame.
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Hi all

I would add to this list

Wear patches to walk on (my ribs has none)

A d ring which you can easily reach from the pontoon (mine is on the water line and can't be reached unless you go for a swim)

2 batteries or at least a switch to take two if only one is offered

Midships cleats or similar to hang fenders on




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I must be missing something here. If you are buying new, all the points listed above are down to your spec with the builder, if you don't tell him what you want, you'll get what he gives you. If your builder won't give you what you want, find another builder, it's your money. If you're buying second hand, you're stuck with the choices made by the original purchaser, that's the price you pay for buying used. You can't have it both ways
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I've got a second hand rib. My list of 4 things are the only 4 things which are need attention on my rib for me. all of which I'm going to sort over the summer.

Just my opinions which may or may not be useful when thinking of the ideal rib.


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Old 28 April 2015, 15:17   #6
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I've got a second hand rib. My list of 4 things are the only 4 things which are need attention on my rib for me. all of which I'm going to sort over the summer.

Just my opinions which may or may not be useful when thinking of the ideal rib.


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If you're going to add a battery, this is the easy way to go


PS just seen that you have an Etec, this has dual battery charging built in. You might need to add the secondary charging harness if not already fitted. Don't use cheap battery switches or wing nuts on any battery connections.
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Thanks. I'll look into that




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Old 28 April 2015, 15:51   #8
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I must be missing something here. If you are buying new, all the points listed above are down to your spec with the builder, if you don't tell him what you want, you'll get what he gives you. If your builder won't give you what you want, find another builder, it's your money. If you're buying second hand, you're stuck with the choices made by the original purchaser, that's the price you pay for buying used. You can't have it both ways
You took the words outta my mouth PD!...although modifieing/ enhancing a well made/founded used RIB to suit your needs IS (or at least CAN )....be fun and rewarding too
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Old 28 April 2015, 18:13   #9
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modifieing/ enhancing a well made/founded used RIB to suit your needs IS (or at least CAN )....be fun and rewarding too
Fun it most certainly is. Granted I'm now getting fed up patching it but a re-toob will cure that in the fullness of time...
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Why don't we call this "best design features" rather than getting on builders for not doing what they didn't know you wanted. since we are trying to be the positive rib.net.

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Old 29 April 2015, 00:59   #11
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I can start with my rib

Stepped hull - it runs really flat and when it does get air off waves the nose stays level and it lands smoothly. Also helps fuel efficiency I understand and runs sweetly at 30kts as it does at 50

Massive bow sun deck with enormous dry storage

Ski eye built into a frame

Safe deep rear bench seat to keep kids secure

Hand holds where needed

Lifting eyes

Swim ladder

Great design and looks

I'm sure there is much more but just starting the list!




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why don't we call this "best design features" rather than getting on builders for not doing what they didn't know you wanted. Since we are trying to be the positive rib.net.
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Old 29 April 2015, 02:23   #13
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Well you guys are picky aren't we!, building a new boat is easy, the customer gets what he wants, the hard bit is doing it for the price he wants to pay.
The trouble is most boaters buy boats on a budget not to a standard, it's not just boats, I had a dive shop/school and that was the same, the divers used to give you a list and you'll give them a price just like a boat price.
Once they get the price then the bargaining starts, well if I take this off or that off, you finish up with a boat totally different from the one they wanted, used to piss me off no end, spend half a day looking for the best possible prices for what he wanted, work out build specs, see if we could save any money by farming some bits out and so on, then he comes down with all his kids and wife and start arguing in front of you about what each of them want, yeah really good trying to sell to the public, I'd like to know anyone else willing to donate 1 or 2 days listening to a couple arguing while the kids have gone through your workshop like a tornado, so if you guys are buying a secondhand boat it's probably a boat that was made for another person just like yourself who screwed the boat builder to the floor and shoved a pineapple up his rear end in the first place


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Is this "pick on Boris day"? I think I see where he's going with this. Obviously we can choose the spec on our new RIBs, but there are things which most manufactureres seem to get wrong most of the time.

For example: -

BATTERY LOCATION: I've lost count of the number of times we've struggled (and I mean STRUGGLED) to extract a battery from its location so we can replace it or charge it. It can't be difficult to locate the battery somewhere it can be easily lifted out from above through a hole that is bigger than the battery.

STORAGE: Water-tight lockers that aren't water-tight! lockers and deck hatches that have no means of drainage but fill up with water.

BILGE PUMPS: Try changing the bilge pump in the back "well" of a Cobra 755 and you'll know what I mean. And they're not the only ones, I've seen so many bilge pumps that could only have been fitted before the boat was finished and are now inaccessible.

These are not customer "options", but basic design issues that could easily be addresses without much (or any) cost implications.

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How about this for simple and near zero cost..

Fit a 5mm thick neoprene sleeve onto the "elephant's trunk" so,if you forget to lift it, it floats up when you stop and the boat doesn't fill with water.
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""Dislike
Suicide seats, they just waste space.""

My mates suicide seat hinges up and there's a bucket underneath it.
that's certainly not a waste of space.............or am I talking p*ss....
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How about this for simple and near zero cost..

Fit a 5mm thick neoprene sleeve onto the "elephant's trunk" so,if you forget to lift it, it floats up when you stop and the boat doesn't fill with water.
you mean fills with water more slowly?
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It's all relative.....there's that much water out there some of its bound to end up in the boat
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Is this "pick on Boris day"?

Err no! Why? I'm not seeing any "Boris Bashing" :errm:
That old Solent paranoia raising its head again?


.....sh1t happens.......
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How about this for simple and near zero cost..

Fit a 5mm thick neoprene sleeve onto the "elephant's trunk" so,if you forget to lift it, it floats up when you stop and the boat doesn't fill with water.
That's a nice idea.


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