Rib crash driver prosecuted - Page 2

RIVA · 21 June 2005, 17:24

i think you should leave this subject now ,

i have heard many tales

vts tower, my mate

hamble harbour master

cost gaurd

and let the courts decide

codprawn · 21 June 2005, 17:31

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Originally Posted by RIVA

i think you should leave this subject now ,

i have heard many tales

vts tower, my mate

hamble harbour master

cost gaurd

and let the courts decide

Agreed but how often do the courts do the RIGHT thing these days????

prairie tuber · 21 June 2005, 17:35

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Would YOU drive at high speed at night without either a chart plotter or radar to tell you if there was anything in the way???

BINGO! Nor would I drive while wearing a blinfold during the day even if I had a chart plotter or radar - which would be no less dumb than what this guy did. The onus is always on the boat operator to control his boat and to ensure he does'nt slam into obstacles whether they are well marked, poorly marked or not marked at all. It's not like the bouy ran into him.

Tim M · 21 June 2005, 19:41

On this subject, what do people have in the way of lighting for night use on their RIBs to spot objects etc?

tim griffin · 21 June 2005, 19:42

Codprawn

you ask Would you drive a rib at high speed at night without a chartplotter or Radar.
Short answer Advanced Powerboat Course.
Long answer read Simon Hawkins reply.
As for the rest of it let the Courts decide.

codprawn · 21 June 2005, 19:46

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Originally Posted by tim griffin

Codprawn

you ask Would you drive a rib at high speed at night without a chartplotter or Radar.
Short answer Advanced Powerboat Course.
Long answer read Simon Hawkins reply.
As for the rest of it let the Courts decide.

Is that really a requirement of the advanced course? Don't think I would like that very much unless on a clear moonlit night!!!

I have already said "agreed" to the last one!!!!

tim griffin · 21 June 2005, 19:52

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Is that really a requirement of the advanced course? Don't think I would like that very much unless on a clear moonlit night!!!

I have already said "agreed" to the last one!!!!

From the RYA log book
CAN Take charge of a powerboat at night, including entering and leaving a Harbour.
Demonstrate ability at keeping a proper lookout and identifying lit and unlit marks by night.

Simon B · 21 June 2005, 19:54

I seem to re call that Codders made the connection between the Raymarine E series and linking them to an infra red camera, other posts detailed infra red illumination. The kit is out there!

I use a handheld and pour over charts prior to an excercise in a new area and mind numbingly enter all charted marks, they are not way points so I dont run into thewm but are icons; bouys, lights etc.

I am deeply sorry for all the injured parites both mentally and physically, the prospect of facial/ocular injury has been an interest of mine for a while now consloes brisrlte with all manner of projections and the "driver" doesnt wear a seatbelt. Granted a seatbelt is a pretty mad idea for most Ribs but a skid lid and visor may turn out to be a cheap insurance policy.

Arctic RIB · 21 June 2005, 20:16

That is really tragic, at the beginning of each season I physically go to each buoy and mark it in my little garmin etrex gps. We only have a few of them but none are lit. I almost struck a reef last year at 15kts it scared the hell out of me and now I use charts to create route waypoints far from any danger zones. I would never endanger my crew again and I travel slowly because these 10x10x10 metre behemoths I photographed today can also suddenly appear at the last moment. Do you folks in the UK get icebergs in your water as well? If so, does radar detect it?

Richard B · 21 June 2005, 20:29

Technology won't save you from an accident like this.

Planning will.

IMHO, Tim is 100% correct to point out the Advanced Powerboat syllabus, it's worth doing, really worth doing, in fact I would recommend that every skipper of a RIB or any planing craft should do it.

Best illumination for a night passage is the moonlight. Your eyes adapt very quickly. If it's cloudy, bad luck, and p'raps fall back to GPS chartplotter/radar.

BTW, it was a clear night on the night in question.

Keep to the main channels in the dark - 'specially if the buoys are lit.

The buoy in question is one of many - all outside the main channel.

A helmet and full visor has saved me from a minor facial injury about three years ago - not sure about high speed impact (shattering of the visor?)

Out.

jyasaki · 21 June 2005, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Richard B

A helmet and full visor has saved me from a minor facial injury about three years ago - not sure about high speed impact (shattering of the visor?)

Still better than shattering the face (or head)...

jky

Biggles · 21 June 2005, 20:55

Might seem like a daft idea but what is everybodies thoughts on fitting a spotlight to the front of the boat to illuminate the area ahead. Seems like a good idea to me but you just don't see boats with them on.

I have a spotlight on the rear of my boat up on the A Frame and that does a good job of illuminating the sea to the front of me. It also shows up my boat and allows me to see all my instruments etc.

tcwozere · 21 June 2005, 21:13

I would have thought the problem with a spotlight on the "A" frame is, one glance back, and your natural night vision is knackered..

Biggles · 21 June 2005, 21:25

Well way up the risks. And don't look back.

Anyway why would you want to look back.

And if you did close one eye. Then you don't loose your night vision. Its an Army Thing....

And anyway in the ideal world you would put the spot light on the front of your boat. Mine is only on the rear because that is the way the previous owner of the boat had it.

I just realised it would be better on the front after seeing what effect it had from the back....

tcwozere · 21 June 2005, 21:37

I would look back to make sure my kids were still on the rib..

Never heard of the one eye trick tho..

Richard B · 21 June 2005, 21:39

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the one eye trick...

Sounds dodgy, but it's widely practised in rally motorsports. I dunno, military always want to take the credit!

brucehawsker · 21 June 2005, 21:49

Do people have a floodlight on thier rib? I wonder if one would be sensible for Tue eve. The sort you can pick up in B and Q with some unlikely level of candle light.....

Biggles · 21 June 2005, 22:01

Here you go.

Just look out for the floodlight on Tuesday evening at Trafalgar 200 near No Mans Land Fort. Thats Me.

Biggles · 21 June 2005, 22:02

And when I get my next RIB later this year it will have a spotlight on the front. For less than £20 you can't go wrong.

gtflash · 22 June 2005, 22:50

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Originally Posted by Biggles

And when I get my next RIB later this year it will have a spotlight on the front. For less than £20 you can't go wrong.

isnt it against regulations??? seen the rnli dress down a guy on a cranchi for havin docking lights on and bathing platform blues!

although a spotlight may be effective at lighting close proximity objects it would ruin ur ability to see lighted nav bouys i think.

i also think you should always be checking over ur shoulder, it was even in my rya course, but then i live in red jets stompin ground

also those p&o floatin flats dont af motor once they turn calshot rekon theyre as quick as my night cruisin speed easily

maybe i just like panto!