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Old 12 August 2004, 12:17   #71
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Over to Port a bit!
Why?
To go around that big hole!

Des is this what you Imagen should have happened?
I think not!
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No Nick the way you do it is to throttle back then you go gentle down the side of the wave instead of launching yourself into thin air.

But don't miss understand me, I am not saying that Alan got it wrong AND that Spirit was badly design, what I am saying is that it is one OR the other.
As someone has mentioned before sailing boats seem to manage and that is because generally speaking there speed is linked by the wind to the wave frequency it is only when you get a vessel that can exceed this that problem occur. Des
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I've done a little bit of work on modelling a seaway b4. I think what a lot of people are missing is that the sea is not predictable. The shape and form of waves follows a distribution of probability, but the probability of any given wave size & type forming is almost never zero. Plus, every seaway in the world has a different distribution pattern. So the probability of getting hit by a 'rogue' wave (since that seems to be the term a la mode these days) is always there, it's just small.

Any number of very small factors could have prevented said rogue wave forming, or at least forming in a different way that wouldn't have placed the boat under such sever stresses to cause structural failure, but just once in a blue moon, all the factors coincide, and you're buggered. The forces the sea can produce are HUGE. Have you ever seen an oil tanker looking like a banana? It happens.

If you also bear in mind the previous conditions spirit will have endured on other expeditions, stating that spirit might not have been up to the job is ridiculous. If voyager crashed on her aerial circumnavigtion of the globe, people would have said the same. If Space Ship One had crashed on her foray into space, people would say the same. In order to learn, you have to push the envelope, and sometimes it does go wrong.

I agree with an earlier statement; I'd far far sooner see my tax being spent on rescuing a bunch of british guys in distress than some illegal immigrant who thinks they have a right to my money for doing nothing.

Whether you like Alan or not, he's out there doing his thing, flying the flag and helping keep England on the map, which is more than can be said for most people, myself included.
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Old 12 August 2004, 12:21   #73
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I think you've never been in a really really big sea.
And sailing boats regularly don't manage either. Look at Pete Goss' attempt.

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No Nick the way you do it is to throttle back then you go gentle down the side of the wave instead of launching yourself into thin air.
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Old 12 August 2004, 12:23   #74
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Wow.

Matt...there's eloquence.

The very spooky thing about what you've just said is...

there was a blue moon... (I heard it discussed on the radio that day)

when they set off...

Missus

('there are more things in heaven and earth...')
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Old 12 August 2004, 12:24   #75
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I hit a cuboard door in the medway at 25 knots in broad day light....now you would have thought i could have seen and avoided that wouldn't you !!

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Not to mention the odd fridge in the Solent...

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Wave height, shape and size is based on wind strength, fetch, time, water depth, underwater obstructions, ocean currents and the interaction of the waves with each other.

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...generally speaking there speed is linked by the wind to the wave frequency it is only when you get a vessel that can exceed this that problem occur. Des
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Old 12 August 2004, 13:05   #78
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she served me well in her 200,000 mile four year life.
That is quite a lot of miles
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Then why didn't you see the hole?
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You dont always see holes they can just appear out of no where. There is no way any one can negotiate a rough sea without pitching down some holes at one point or another.

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That is quite a lot of miles
200,000.....Thats a bloody lot of miles..thats 50,000 miles a year or 1000 miles a week. At an average of 20 knots that would be 50 hours of sailing a week.....Thats almost from here to the moon..
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