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Old 12 August 2004, 09:48   #61
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Old 12 August 2004, 09:53   #62
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Whats make you think that any of the "Tube experts " know more than me. I have inspected some builders boats that the tubes are so bad I have recommended cutting the boat up as unsafe!
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That reply just about sums up the problem, arrogance this developed can only blind you to your own short falling. As far as I can see Jono was only trying to help broaden the discussion out.


I’ve been sitting on the side lines waiting for sycophants and knockers to stop taking punches at each other over this issue, but I now think it time to point out some facts that have not be discussed.

In engineering terms thing fail for two reasons 1) design flaw 2) operator error
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Rouge waves are not a new a new phenomena, Alan, you said that he had experienced one in 2002 and prior to that they have been discussed in the marine press as far back as the 80s in relation to bulk carrier sinkings, so you would think that the ‘best rib in the world ‘would take this into account in its design.
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If you are travelling at 20 knts in the dark among 4m waves and you fall in a hole surely that is operator error particularly if the boat is not up to it.

So which is it Allan No doubt you will take your usual stance of ‘you either agree with me or you are wrong’ but hay if you are right I am happy to be wrong.

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Old 12 August 2004, 10:22   #63
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I wonder if Alan might elaborate a little further on the nature of damage?
Crushing forces are mentioned in Alan's report. Was the sub-structure or superstructure of the boat crushed to the extent that structural damage arose ? Or was the boat pushed so far down that the tubes were caused to part from the hull ?

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Old 12 August 2004, 10:40   #64
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In engineering terms thing fail for two reasons 1) design flaw 2) operator error
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Rouge waves ...
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Des would it be possible to enlarge that catalogue of possibilites to include unfortunate coincidences, unusual natural events etc. ???

Just asking. Perhaps the sea does not always respect the best of man-made draughtsmanship, planning & engineering...or seafaring techniques for that matter? I agree that we can all learn a lot from the facts. Peter has asked some helpful questions...

Surely the colour of the wave is perhaps immaterial in this case.

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Scary Des and Gentiana. This topic never was, and never will be up for general discussion. The full and detailed report will be subject to full intergation and inspection by the powers to be.

However I do agree that if you happen to drive a boat at night in 4 metre waves at 20 knots than it proberbly would be driver error. But it was full daylight (because it dont get dark up North) a perfect down wind sea and not that rough enough to cause alarm. So no, I disagree with you that you feel it was my fault. As for construction, you had to be there to know what happend. Spirit was a tough old girl, she had been battered by bigger storms and waves than you will ever imagine without damage, and yes I agree, there has been an ongoing study about big waves for nearly 30 years, but, it was only last year that the reversed wave theory came about. and this is what I believe caused the boat to sink. (Along with over 12 fishing boats a year!)
I know my short fallings and one of the things which drives me on is to push things to the limit. I also know my job and this is the first (and hopefully the last) boat I have lost at sea and she served me well in her 200,000 mile four year life. Alan P
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Scary Des and Gentiana. This topic never was, and never will be up for general discussion.
WHY POST IT ON A FORUM THEN?????
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a boat at night in 4 metre waves at 20 knots than it proberbly would be driver error. But it was full daylight (because it dont get dark up North)
Then why didn't you see the hole?
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Old 12 August 2004, 11:49   #68
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I don't know anyone on this forum but I have met Alan Priddy and I was impressed beyond belief.


Alan, I would cross the Atlantic with you any day of the week because I know there are few better qualified.

As for the rest of the sceptics, lets see you do it.




PS Alan, time for a visit to Redbay with the latest presentation
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Old 12 August 2004, 11:58   #69
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Cuchulainn Abu.

We really liked the look of Rebay RIBs also. Saw one in Cork last weekend.
Maybe Alan's next boat could be a collaboration. Andre's Parker Cabin RIB looks the business too.

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Then why didn't you see the hole?
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Over to Port a bit!
Why?
To go around that big hole!

Des is this what you Imagen should have happened?
I think not!
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