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Old 07 July 2012, 07:31   #91
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Ah! A voice of reason at last.

There is plenty of existing legislation that can ( and is) be brought against them should they be involved in an accident.
OK then. Name them laws?
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Old 07 July 2012, 09:14   #92
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Because the RYA knows that stringent regultion will have several effects.
It will heavily reduce the numbers of people taking up boating and will strangle the very reason a lot of folk use boats in the first place.

Stringent??...who said ANYTHING about the wanted regulations being stingent?

Anyway. i would have thought it pretty obvious why the RYA would be concerned if fewer people take up boating.....

Approximately 50% of their income comes from subscriptions and sales of RYA goods.

They are a commercial company and therefore like any other commercial operation have to look after their own interests. If you read the annual report you will see that, in their own words, the biggest risk to the RYA in the near future is a drop in member subscriptions and therefore revenue.

This percieved threat actually ranks higher than the risk of damage to their reputation through any isolated incident or event.

So yeah, of course they will resist any regulation that potentially causes a drop to the number of people taking up boating.

And you may have thought that it was because they "cared" about our favorite passtime?

I believe that if there was a drop in the number of people taking to the water then it would only filter out the people who weren't serious about it anyway. At least the newcomers that did go through somekind of minimum education would at least take the activity seriously.


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Old 07 July 2012, 09:27   #93
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Some folk keep banging on about how car use has got this and that and therefore it should easily apply to boats.
These laws only apply to vehicles on the public highway, take the vehicle a few yards to the side off road and nothing applies, not even needing a licence.

The sea is more in line with the land off road which is by far more of the land area than public roads.
If you want to use land use as an example then the only parts you may be able to make an argument over regulation are harbour areas controlled as such, these are a very tiny part of the water and in most cases are not even acessed to get to the water.
The rest of the water is equivalent to off road land.

And no, I am not a member of the RYA either!
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Anyway, why are we all banging on about regulations, drink boating laws the RYA etc.......Womens tennis final is on!!

I love women's tennis...... such a precise and involving game...

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I love women's tennis even more when it starts to rain...

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Couldn't stop myself

I'm quite ashamed that the last post was my only contribution to the debate but you and Tonto been doing a good job so far and I fully support your views
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I'm quite ashamed that the last post was my only contribution to the debate but you and Tonto been doing a good job so far and I fully support your views
Hey Rogue Wave

So When you going to pop down and see us anyway..... Pm me if you fancy it.

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[QUOTE=tonto;473784]It has not stopped people driving cars has it? People have to take a test, and have insurance, and are not supposed to drive drunk. RAC figures show 75% of the poulation manage to put up with the "stringent" regulations there.

It has however reduced the death rates in cars. It does stop some people driving drunk, and has had a great effect making it an antisocial thing to do. It should be the same with boating.]

I'm not sure that all (or even any) of the reduction in death rate can be attributed to the drink drive laws.

Improvements in car design and safety features (air bags, big bars under the rear and sides of lorries), improved medical care changes in road design, better crash barriers are some of the things I believe have massively reduced the number of fatalities.
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My 2p worth ...

All the regulation in the world is pointless unless it can be enforced, which will always be where it falls over in the real world.

My local example - Poole harbour is a fairly well 'policed' ( not so much by the police but the harbour authority etc ) but the chances of someone being spoken to for being smashed on booze or having no insurance or qualifications is bugger all.

I imagine much the same for most similar/ popular places? It is for most harbours I go in and out of in a boat.

The analagy to cars is I feel mostly flawed. We dont have (usually) numbers on boats that can be read by cameras or tax discs or straight roads to set cameras up on .

I weave the boat sometime to have fun - doesn't mean I am drunk . A car weaves and instantly its out of the ordinary. If I go fast or slow in the boat is up to me,if I do 14mph or 140mph on the motorway -something is wrong so I get stopped..

I really dont think much change is needed or warranted. If anything it will only become more expensive for permits etc that dont serve a genuine purpose and cant realistically be checked.
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