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Old 06 October 2007, 16:04   #11
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It makes me mad.

This Eurocrap ruling really irritates me . Now at the moment I have a Rib with an outboard, so no immedite impact . However, having some long term plans, I am thinking of saving up for a 30' motor cruiser (mini gin palace) as a retirement plan. Assuming I would wish to cruise around 3000nm per year at around 2 litres of Diesel per mile then a £3000 fuel bill (which I could just afford) doubles to £6000 (which I would struggle to fund and justify).

The Channel Islands aren't stupid enough to be influenced by this Euro nonsense so I guess the rich types with massive boats in the UK will simply go there for fuel and put a few thousand litres in their craft .


Here is a copy of the letter I sent to HMRC a couple of weeks ago. My actual thoughts have been added in blue

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IMPACT ON NEW TAXATION ON RED DIESEL FOR MOTOR CRUISERS

Dear Sir / Madam (useless Government t$@% who probably won't read this anyway), I have just read with interest and some sadness (bloody annoyance , you a@%e) on the failure of the UK to control it’s prices on fuel, due to our the remote rulings from the EU (fat Euro gits who should mind their own business).

Under the options considered, only option A seems workable but the increase in taxation would, I feel, spell the end of the UK pleasure boating industry and results in the loss of thousands of UK jobs.

My reasoning is as follows.

I am saving very hard for retirement where I had intended to buy a UK built offshore cruiser boat (~30ft), at a purchase price of around £100,000.

As a boat owner, I would also spend money at the marina on berthing, at chandleries, at restaurants as we visit different places etc etc.

With a desire to travel around quite a lot, the proposed increase in fuel taxes would simply make it unaffordable to run.

Therefore, I will now most probably spend my money abroad on overseas holidays and rent a boat there.

The result is a loss - loss for the UK industries and the Government.

Multiply my plan by a few thousand users and you see my prediction of a downturn in the pleasure boat industry and likely no additional revenues being raised through tax overall.


Yours,



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Old 06 October 2007, 16:14   #12
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How about Option D: A referendum on Euro interference, lets get back to the good old days of Brits deciding British issues.
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Old 06 October 2007, 16:42   #13
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Most European countries just ignore a law if they don't agree with it - the French have done it for years. In Britain the jobsworths get hold of something and then force it on us will all the might they can.....

For example the British fishing boats are inspected and watched all the time - the spaniosh choose to ignore what theirs get up to!!!
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Wow, that means the French and the Spanish are now smarter that the British. Nelson must be turning in his grave.
Perhaps we should give up and demo Trafalar Square and send the column to the French with a note saying " we give up"
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Wow, that means the French and the Spanish are now smarter that the British. Nelson must be turning in his grave.
Perhaps we should give up and demo Trafalar Square and send the column to the French with a note saying " we give up"
Emm .. how about today 2007 Limey ?Hmm.... Lets have some relevant debate on the subject with facts please ?

As far as I know.. current thinking is that all rebated fuels would preferentially be abolished , but the difficulty is that the rebated supply is so embedded, that it cannot be easily distinguished as to who , and who should not continue to receive the rebated fuel, this is the hornets nest that is being stirred, and like it or lump it, leisure boating is one of the categories that is being looked at, as a tax gain
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It would appear that the sea around the Uk is the next big debate. I live 50 miles from the sea and my local village monthly magazine this month is full of what the government intends to do. Seems strange because we haven't even got a canal or river or lake.
It probably strikes a chord with the local greenies and old folk and is less controversial than paying more for bin emptying or congestion charging though. Strikes the fear of god in to me. In reality everything that is done nowadays just means more money to cough up and nothing in return.
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Emm .. how about today 2007 Limey ?Hmm.... Lets have some relevant debate on the subject with facts please ?

As far as I know.. current thinking is that all rebated fuels would preferentially be abolished , but the difficulty is that the rebated supply is so embedded, that it cannot be easily distinguished as to who , and who should not continue to receive the rebated fuel, this is the hornets nest that is being stirred, and like it or lump it, leisure boating is one of the categories that is being looked at, as a tax gain
Hey muzzy
You are obviously incapable of understanding the bigger picture and there are so many people that have the same problem, hence the problem.
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In reality everything that is done nowadays just means more money to cough up and nothing in return.
Yup.. thats about the size of it. I think aviation fuel tax exemption is the the one they really want to change if they could, since its potential to bring in revenue is huge, far as I can recollect when it was discussed in 05, there was a massive outcry (not surprisingly) but thats another subject
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Red Diesel

So thats it then. Full price for leisure users

http://www.ybw.com/auto/newsdesk/200...14mbmnews.html

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seems to me this won't be policed - HMRC didn't want it in the first place. You can quite legally use the red for heating and no doubt power generation on your boat.

Just remember NEVER to file another passage plan with the coastguard............
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