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[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by clydeoutboards

Oh and heck the prices of the 3rd service ooch !!!!!

I assume you mean 1st service ? I paid less than £600 for 2 x 3 year/300 hour services on my 115's & the next ones aren't due for another 3 years. How much would I pay for the equivalent services on Hondas in 6 years based on your rates?

As to needing instant grunt & power, when you're sliding backwards down the back of a wave.....................................

[Ian M]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

I assume you mean 1st service ? I paid less than £600 for 2 x 3 year/300 hour services on my 115's & the next ones aren't due for another 3 years. How much would I pay for the equivalent services on Hondas in 6 years based on your rates?

As to needing instant grunt & power, when you're sliding backwards down the back of a wave.....................................

Or, as I said in post #18, £420 ish for the 3 year service on a 200 etec at a main dealer.

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Ian M

Or, as I said in post #18, £420 ish for the 3 year service on a 200 etec at a main dealer.

Yup, but when you've got your fingers in your ears & your eyes shut chanting Honda, Honda, Honda it's easy to miss

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Yup, but when you've got your fingers in your ears & your eyes shut chanting Honda, Honda, Honda it's easy to miss

Is that like running around with a Ferrari motor on the stereo because your engine is too quiet?

[gotchiguy]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Is that like running around with a Ferrari motor on the stereo because your engine is too quiet?

There's a funny 80s Renault advert with that, I can't seem to find it though

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Is that like running around with a Ferrari motor on the stereo because your engine is too quiet?

Yeah, like a Toyota Priapus

[clydeoutboards]

Hi

this and never was about Honda vs Etec it was more about people saying how great the etec was. Now Polly seems to insist that we should back these claims up and hay I am sure he will be delighted if you can be bothered.

the two stroke vs 4 stroke though is more interesting and if we all do our homework and understand how they both work he we see the very simple cause and effect i.e.

2 stroke create power on every cycle 4 strokes dont this = better acceleration for the 2 stroke

2 stokes mix oil and petrol for lubrication which is not a good solution and very wasteful so they dont last as long and burn more fuel. Oh and if you dont like this please argue your point with the worlds engine makers and not me as it is them who say this not me

oh and lets been v v clear on this as I am sure I will be asked to repeat it again and again and again. this goes for all 2 strokes and all 4 strokes and it is not ETEC bashing yet!. as I posted previously there is lots of info on this online that will confirm what I am saying so why not focus on how they work and then it is v obvious why a 2 stroke burns more fuel and why a 4 stroke does not accelerate as quickly

Oh Picky dave. whilst you are chanting ETEC , ETEC , ETEC ( its funny how you say i have been chanting Honda when all i have done is mention a first service cost but this will now change) then re your comment about servicing would mean the Honda would win. small point and off topic as any competent manic can self service. oh and they dont need to be fitted either so the honda wins there. Oh and now the new honda's of that size use "BLAST" so there is even less of difference in acceleration

Noticeable, particularly during periods of rapid acceleration, BLAST™ effectively boosts performance by adjusting the air/fuel ratio for maximum torque while advancing ignition timing to its maximum pre-knock level to increase torque under full-load conditions.

oh and they have a patent on the eco mode as well giving even better again fuel consumption.

oh and did I say that they dont limit the warranty to 750 hours or 5 years and that we get commercial engines in under warranty with over 5000 hours and they still have lots of life in them. Oh and the honda would not need refitting by dealer if sold under warranty.


oh and Honda know how to get a phone line working. yes I know this is not a big thing but when you go to Contact Us from the United Kingdom and Ireland | BRP United Kingdom & Ireland and call the number it has had the same message for over a year.

mmmm not "chanted" about honda for a while and it feels good. Oh spo our other products dont feel left out .....Mariner also rocks and does tohatsu and so does opti's . oh and honwaves and parts for most engines and the postal service / courier service also rocks which is why we can send all these things across the UK at amazing prices.

Dave

[Nos4r2]

Aaaand breathe

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Aaaand breathe

It seems like insulting someon's Wife or Kids
...Isnt Far BEHIND implying a preference or denigrateing(Percieved or Otherwise!) thier Choice of RIB or Engine!
Get out in ya Boats More (Whatever Flavour!!) is my Advice!

[clydeoutboards]

hay a had a few minutes and I need to write some more comparison info for the website so it was good fun.

oh and i forgot Honda outboard rocks but not as much as our facebook page where we will one day post some very interesting pics and news so its well worth liking!

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Clyde...ref=ts&fref=ts

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Aaaand breathe

Wow! Time for a lie down in a darkened room with a cool flannel methinks

[Leapy]

Originally Posted by clydeoutboards

oh and i forgot Honda outboard rocks but not as much as our facebook page where we will one day post some very interesting pics and news so its well worth liking!

With respect, do you think your communication skills are working for or against folks wanting to 'like' you?

[Poly]

Originally Posted by clydeoutboards

this and never was about Honda vs Etec it was more about people saying how great the etec was. Now Polly seems to insist that we should back these claims up and hay I am sure he will be delighted if you can be bothered.

Dave your don't know when to stop do you? If you read the thread I've never claimed you should back up Etec claims - what I've asked you to do is substantiate your claims that the Etec ones are false. You've refused to do this. My request was not unreasonable.

2 stokes mix oil and petrol for lubrication which is not a good solution and very wasteful so they dont last as long and burn more fuel.

maybe but actually I'd guess most outboards don't reach the graveyard from wear and tear. I presume you realise that modern 2 strokes no longer mix fuel and oil - but rather inject them directly into the different parts of the engine where they are needed. I doubt total life (in terms of running hours) is the primary consideration for most people on here. As you say with the right TLC outboards can run for tens to thousands of hours - whereas most leisure users do < 100hrs a year.

so why not focus on how they work and then it is v obvious why a 2 stroke burns more fuel

So is it me that's thick or you who doesn't really understand WHY a 2 stroke must be less fuel efficient - because you still aren't explaining it. However since is very obvious, then you'd think it would be a trivial exercise to produce data that unequivocally supports your hypothesis, even if you can't communicate the underlying reasons.

My understanding why old tech 2 strokes were less fuel efficient than 4 strokes was that the new fuel and air mix was being drawn in to the engine as the exhaust gasses were expelled and therefore inevitably some unburnt fuel woud pass straight through the engine without being burned at all - because for part of the cycle both ports were open. However with modern direct injection engines my understanding was the fuel was only injected after the exhaust port was closed, negating this issue. In order to meet the emissions requirements with regard hydrocarbons there really can't be much unburnt fuel around (especially since there will be traces of unburnt, or partially burnt oil taking up what little allowance there is) - so intuitively if the fuel has been burned it will have produced energy which with the right engineering you might expect to be turned into motion...

[kerny]

Poly I really miss your old Data avatar... it suits you

[Ian M]

Originally Posted by Poly

My understanding why old tech 2 strokes were less fuel efficient than 4 strokes was that the new fuel and air mix was being drawn in to the engine as the exhaust gasses were expelled and therefore inevitably some unburnt fuel woud pass straight through the engine without being burned at all - because for part of the cycle both ports were open. However with modern direct injection engines my understanding was the fuel was only injected after the exhaust port was closed, negating this issue. In order to meet the emissions requirements with regard hydrocarbons there really can't be much unburnt fuel around (especially since there will be traces of unburnt, or partially burnt oil taking up what little allowance there is) - so intuitively if the fuel has been burned it will have produced energy which with the right engineering you might expect to be turned into motion...

At last, some facts. Sadly missing in so much of the preceding

[69cmw]

Some of you really need to get a life !!

[PeterM]

Let's have an inboard outboard argument/thread....I'll just get set with some red bull and proplus to see me through the evenings reading.......

[chris.moody]

Originally Posted by PeterM

Let's have an inboard outboard argument/thread....I'll just get set with some red bull and proplus to see me through the evenings reading.......

[Mollers]

http://www.chastheboat.co.uk/downloa...d%20docket.pdf

A BRP document perhaps, but if were inaccurate Brunswick would sue their arses.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Mollers

http://www.chastheboat.co.uk/downloa...d%20docket.pdf

A BRP document perhaps, but if were inaccurate Brunswick would sue their arses.

I linked to that in post 34 - along with 2 other sources - then ClydeOutboards said:

Originally Posted by clydeoutboards

4: you keep asking me to do all the work but where is your data?

Poly I am happy to proved wrong so instead of miss quoting me why dont you do your own research and that way you can prove me right!

Dave