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Old 31 July 2001, 06:29   #1
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RB4 Comments and Critique

OK, Vernon's excellent RB4 account plus the efforts that will follow from myself and Bangor Challenger should hopefully provoke some interesting, relavent and constructive debate on RB4 the event, long distance ribbing in small boats etc etc. As the existing thread is getting a little large! I thought I'd create a new thread for this discussion. I will also post Spirits account under a seperate thread as requested by Mr Webmaster sir!

First installment tonight, promise!

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Old 31 July 2001, 08:04   #2
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Looking forward to it!

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Old 31 July 2001, 15:06   #3
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Hope YOU are being paid, lol!
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Old 31 July 2001, 17:32   #4
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Paid???!! by John Kennett???? You are kidding!!
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Old 02 August 2001, 04:08   #5
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Well I must say a big well done to all those who took part in the RB4. I will confess to not having much faith in the event being completed for several reasons.
I remember enquiring about the event when it was first advertised in RIB Int. Looking at the maximum leg distance (230nm??) I thought they must be joking.. Having owned a 4.8m Ribcraft for quite a while, I agree that they are capable craft(perhaps an obvious bias!). Having used one around our shores, unless it reasonably calm or your have a big long swell, your down to approx 12knots (in a head sea) otherwise you increase the risk of damaging the boat,kit and crew. So with thoughts of 200+miles in one day at 12knots that's approx 17hrs, add to that the fuel that you would need to carry, with the mariner 60 its roughly 1ltr per nm and I didn't have any underdeck tanks, that equates to alot of fuel on deck. Alias I whimped out.
I think that as someone else has already mentioned that if it was done over a longer time and upto 120nm a leg then that would have changed my opinion altogether and I would have joined the adventure of a life time..

From the stories told so far I have a few points to throw open to debate.

Would you do it again? What would you change if you did?

The concept of 'big' support ribs - Would they be needed if the legs were shorter? I get the impression that they were invited by various entrants rather than the organisers?

I liked the idea of providing a 'paired' or buddy system where two boats looked after each other. Now that the circumnavigation is complete was this better then all sticking together as one?

To what extent were the coastguard involved?

What state are the boats and engines in now?

Did the 10 day agenda put too much pressure on the event or would doing it over 15 days taken away an element of the challenge?

Any comments from the Land crews?

What fuel consumption did you all get from the various engines? - It only seems to be honda that ever publish these.

Once again well done to all those that took part.

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Brian: re your last posting - cancel your credit cards quickly or fight back with mailorder!

Vernon/Alan: Thanks for posting your addictive accounts, it beats reading about Isuzu 4x4's!!




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Old 02 August 2001, 06:39   #6
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Dear Stealth and Alan

Sorry not to have replied earlier, but I've been off counting my piles of cash. Not!

Anyway, I've come up with a great idea. Mr Stealth is so keen on people getting paid for their contributions, that he can pay them. Being a very affluent tax exile, with things like a Fairline Targa 30 in his toy box (no RIB though ), a few quid here and there would surely be no hardship


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You've come up with some very interesting questions, and I'm sure that some of the entrants will have equally interesting answers!

People seem to be very divided on the subject of buddying up vs flotilla style vs going it alone. In my experience it is almost impossible to keep a good pace with a large group (or even a small one!) as everyone is held up by every slowdown/stoppage.

If one boat has to stop for ten minutes to sort out a minor problem, everyone has to wait. If you have a group of ten boats, and each boat has a ten minute unscheduled halt sometime during the day, then the group has a potential for delay of 1 hour 40 minutes. In pairs, the delay would be just 20 minutes.

Even buddy pairs don't need to run gunwale to gunwale. So long as the lead boat stops from time to time to allow the second boat to catch up, a distance of a mile or so isn't a problem in good visibility. You can see the spray from a boat in front of you for a surprising distance (until they stop, but that's another matter!), but good radio contact does make things easier.

Then again if it's really horrible you can take the extreme approach of following a larger boat very close, riding on its stern wave -- this does take rather a lot of concentration to keep up for any length of time though.

On an organised event (even on the scale of round Britain) if you do run solo you are still likely to see other participants, and if things do go wrong there is a better than normal chance of being able to call for assistance.

On balance I would go for an informal buddying system, which means looking out for each other rather than necessarily running within hailing distance all the time!

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Old 02 August 2001, 09:35   #7
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Alan,
You haven't pissed me off yet, but you run the risk of so doing if you don't get on and concentrate on the next installment of your RB4 adventure!
Your message above raises a good point about larger boats not being welcomed with open arms. Three Isle of Man based boats (two 8 metre diesels and a VSV) had entered the Offshore Expeditions Round Britain event to run at the end of May. This was cancelled due to a low entry, and I am sure that we could all have been leant upon to join the RB4.
We did consider this as an alternative, but I had the impression that large boats were basically not welcome, yet would be expected to pick up all the pieces if anything went wrong.
Unimpressed with such arrogance we spent the week going around Scotland instead. Very nice it was too !

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Allen, Ok Ok I'm trying to get the next installment up but work keeps getting in the way!!

Interesting point about perhaps folding in those people interested in Offshore Expeditions Round Britain into RB4. Trouble is the scepticsm from a number of quarters (including Alan Priddy & our very own John K!) that RB4 would happen, could be done safely etc etc probably ruled out any formal merging of the two events. I agree totally about the attitude of the RB4 organisers to larger boats. Brian can speak for himself but had we not have known and been involved with the Spirit guys I doubt we would have gone round with the fleet!

I'm sure the going Round Scotland was fun in its own right. If you want to repeat it next year, BIBOA is planning to stage the biannual event next year.

Another thought that occurs is would you guys from the IOM be interested in meeting up with some South West based Ribsters who are planning a cruise to Southern Ireland in Sept? Cruise will be lead by Cyanide IF Brian's arm heals in time!

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It is my belief that the ground support team provided I.E. JO was in contact with the Coastguard everyday and provided regular updates as to our situation, which if this was done as diligently as the rest of her duties is probably why we virtually heard nothing from them. On Tiger Shark we only spoke to the Coastguard once, on the way into Berwick if I recall correctly.

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Russell,

You may very well be right - in fact it would probably make more sense for a telephone contact with the coastguard rather than passing details of 9 boats via VHF!

Certainly when I was talking to Yarmouth Coastguard when we left Wells before the rest of the fleet (to get Cyanide over the bar before we ran out water!) they were aware of the fleet but had not been advised at that time whether we had left or what our destination was.

Any critique - intended to be constructive - of the event needs to be balanced by what went well. The Land Support supplied by Jo was outstanding!!

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