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Old 22 September 2004, 14:27   #11
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Also if your son needs a buddy give us a call!

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Old 22 September 2004, 15:18   #12
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If its their first boat dive the strange thing for them will be getting in and out of the boat and a free ascent. A good initial exercise would be to anchor somewhere sheltered and safe with a uniform but hopefully interesting bottom. Let them use the anchor for the descent and ascent. If they have a reel they use for an SMB (surface marker buoy) they can clip this to the chain and have a good roam around but be 100% that they will find their way back. This sort of exercise would be a good confidence booster for them and you rather than trying to haul two inexperienced divers out with your boat drifting with the engine off. On the same lines before trying to pick them up in open water for the first time in full scuba gear throw them both in with just mask and fins so they and you get an appreciation of how they need to position themselves and you need to approach.
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Peter, please do not take your son and his friend diving if they have only just qualified. The Solent / Isle of Wight is not the place to learn by making mistakes, strong tides and poor vis will only scare them off an excellent past time and missing divers under water is a supervisors worst nightmare.

Can I suggest instead you find your local British Sub Aqua club and take them along. Let the club organise the diving safely and show them the local waters. by all means offer to help the club by using your rib which is bound to be appreciated, but safe diving requires experienced dive leaders in the water and an experienced diver acting in the supervisor role on the surface to organise a safe dive, which will minimise risks.

Have a good look at this:

http://www.bsac.com/index.html

Or alternatively have a chat with Andark who organise safe open water dives for small groups on a regular basis, they are a PADI school.

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Thanks for the replies, much appreciated

JK - and other non-divers - Sorry, I thought I started this thread in the "other stuff" section. Where did I go wrong?

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JK - and other non-divers - Sorry, I thought I started this thread in the "other stuff" section. Where did I go wrong?
I moved it here! It was borderline, but although not strictly about RIBs I thought that it would be better here where more people were likely to see it.

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I moved it here!
Though I was going mad for a bit then!

Nemo- Thanks for the offer but I take Pete7's point very seriously. They should probably get fully aquainted with diving before jumping off my boat for the first time.

I had in mind to go to Kimmeridge, I'm told its nice over there. Is that a better place to get some practise in than the Solent?
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My 13 year old daughter qualified as a PADI open water diver in August....

For her first boat dive we returned to the exact spot where she had carried out her last two training dives.... This way she was familiar with the surroundings

I left the boat anchored whilst we carried out a quick 20 min dive keeping pretty close to the boat.

Although I left a competent person on the boat, I also left instructions that we would make are own way back unless I surfaced a signaled that I wanted picking up...

This way there was no need to start the engine or to follow us.

If both your divers are new to boat diving I would suggest you ask a more experienced diver to accompany them....

It is very important that everyone involved in the dive is comfortable with what is proposed, that applies to both the divers and the boat operator..

If in doubt do not attempt it......

I also informed the coast guard that I had a novice diver on board and this was her first boat dive.... As usual the coast guard was very helpful and requested that I confirmed both the successful return to the boat and when I was leaving the area..

Hope this helps.....


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Kimmeridge is a great place to learn to dive, and quite shallow, the bay is 4 metres or so. Slipway can be a problem at low tide as the rocks are exposed but there was a second slip if NT haven't blocked it off. Kimmeridge has an underwater nature trail.

Great Place to go with a club as there is space to park and get everyone organised. Take the club there and use your rib as a safety boat as the divers can do the trail as a shore dive.

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Peter,

Now for mr Grumpy.

You do not need qualifications, however you would be foolish to take on coxing a boat of divers unless you are an experienced diver yourself, who has been supervised coxing a dive boat in similar conditions to those you intend to go out in, or trained in the skill Now why do I say this:

- Is it safe to put my divers in the water?
- Is it slack, and how long will slack last?
- How do I deploy a shot line? How do I recover it?
- You have to think like a diver when they are in the water ... where/when will they surface?
- The tide is running, where are they?
- Could they be in trouble, they should be up by now, do I call help?
- If they are not up then where will they be?
- How do I deal with an emergency situation of they hit the surface too fast.
- How do I get them into the boat if there is an incident
- How do I treat them if there is an incident? Can I recognise a problem?
- Do I have an o2 admin kit, can I use it?
- Am I capable of briefing the rescue services on whats happened?

This is my starter for 10 to make my point. It's not just a case of driving a boat and putting a flag up. You need to be able to plan then manage the dive site. Your divers dont sound that qualified, that makes things even more risky.

I stongly recommend if you wish to do this, you should consider spending some time in a boat on a dive site with an experienced dive cox. You should do this for the safety of your divers, they take enough risks, and need to depend on the boat and the boat cox in the case that something goes wrong.

Sorry for being honest.

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My son has just passed his PADI something or other and his mate is just about to take it. Can I take them out diving? I guess I need some kind of flag?

if you son has just passed his first corse i would recomend that he gain some experence with outer diver before he come out would also look into getting 02 and getting trained how to use it incase of any thing happens
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