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Old 03 July 2004, 09:50   #1
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PVC or Hypallon??

Well I know this subject has been discussed many times and many have expressed their opinion without any proper evidence.

I have read all the theories regading advantages/disadvantages of both materials but they all say that in many ways both are similar. Well they are NOT!

Now I have the evidence! The attached photos are from a boat made out of PVC (made in Germany or in the 3rd World only the manufatcurer knows). This boat is BRAND NEW and has not been in the water yet!

Look what has happened to it! Will the manufacturer HONOR his gurantee?? and who is going to repair this unacceptable ware?
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Old 03 July 2004, 10:32   #2
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Manos, what exactly does the photograph show - bubbling up of the surface? Poor seam sewing which has "rucked up" the top overlap?
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Old 03 July 2004, 11:05   #3
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I wiuld have said that this was more to do with the person who made it rather than the fabric. Is this one of your new boats Manos?
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Old 03 July 2004, 12:06   #4
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Yes Chris is a band new boat. And this is what we also discovred on another one.


Richard the surface has minor bubbles but I expected that since my 700 has boubles on a double coat that they put to write the name of the boat on. The bubles on the 640s is not as bad as on the 700. If you want photos will show you. The 640s because of a mess up they have double PVC on the top side of the boat as I had ordered blue and got greyish. The photos show a tare on the fabrick between the railling and the bottom. Is like a clear cut or tear due to something, which I don't know what

It seems that the fabric has tared off in these areas on the 640s. Possibly PVC of inferior quality? I cannot explain it otherwise.

May be now I will hear the excuse that these are ventilation holes and also that I don't know what I'm talking about
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Isn't that just the edge of the folded over fabric? It looks to have been thermo welded and caught in the weld on the right of the picture and runs out of the weld towards the left.

Nice thumb.
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Old 04 July 2004, 00:41   #6
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I haven't got clue JW.
Probably you are correct for the second set of photos as they have just started to use cold welding (not very successfully as it seems from the photos if what you say correct). However, if you look closely on the boat it looks like there is a hole again there. A big cut.
In the first set this little hole is deffinately a cut on the PVC.
Whatever these holes the point that I'm tryin to make is that if these are holes the PVC is not any agood, and that they shouldn't have been there in the first place. The manufacturer should have made sure of that.
This is a brand new boat and one should expect to get it without any small or big problems.
Do you agree?

PS Thanks for the thump it was painfull when it happened

PPS And as I was unwrapping the damaged boat see what I discovered !! This looks like a cut to me.
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Old 06 July 2004, 02:16   #7
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So far no reply form FALCON. Sould I be woriied since they also have some of our money as a deposit for some other boats that we have now cancelled?
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My God i never thought i'd see the day....Manos slagging down a Falcon boat.
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I'm not Mr Rat. These two are not up to spec in any shape or form. The hulls are great and they go well, but the final finish leaves a lot to be desired

I can't immagine what is wrong with these guys. They were 100% and more before now all seems to have gone down hill
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... I have read all the theories regading advantages/disadvantages of both materials but they all say that in many ways both are similar. Well they are NOT!

Now I have the evidence! ...
The question here has 2 themes for discussion/exploration.
1. What fabric is best for the rib use, between PVC and HYPALON.
2. What went wrong with the "FALCON BOATS" and delivered boats with defects.

As far as the first issue, I am sure that none of us can be 100 % sure that these defects wouldn't exist if the tubes were made of hypalon.

As for the second issue, I can only suppose that they overlook quality due to delivery delay. They weren't as careful as they should be cause time was pressing.
Sure it wasn't your fault Manos. You payed for brand new defectless boats.
I say that since they have your deposit for the rest of the boats, you should ASK them to honor their warranty.
Estimate the damage that it's been made and ASK for refund.
Personal contact IS NOT advicable at this moment.
In my opinion a lawyer shall represent your rights.
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