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Old 19 July 2012, 08:11   #21
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If you choose this route I believe a I have a proper BMF boat hand over document which covers what is expected
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Old 19 July 2012, 09:05   #22
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One question I have to ask anyone reading this is, would you treat a hire rib the same way you'd treat a hire car? with a high deposit in place.
In a car, you can generally see the things you are about to crash into!
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Old 19 July 2012, 09:07   #23
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I would have to know you bloody well, and have a very high opinion of you to lend you a boat
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I've had the pleasure of being a passenger on a couple of Bareboat charters that John has done
Hmm not sure that the Conway jaunt was much of a pleasure for anyone. Definitely an experience though!
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Old 19 July 2012, 09:28   #24
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I've had the pleasure of being a passenger on a couple of Bareboat charters that John has done and can therefore offer some reassurance that not every skipper is as crazy and damage inflicting as might be suggested. Indeed both those boats were in tip top condition. However whilst there is a some financial sense to John's approach of not owning a big expensive rib and chartering when you want/need it, there won't be that many people with his level of previous experience who don't have their own boat. I'd guess its more likely you will have relatively inexperienced people who are over inflating their 'hours'. e.g. does "Held a PB2 for 5 yrs = sat my PB2 5 yrs ago and never been in a boat since; or does have been driving ribs every weekend for 3 yrs = drive my sailing clubs safety boat, mostly bobbing up and down and have never opened a chart in all that time; or yacht master with 30 yrs experience = never been over 5 knots "?

My own experience (not with John) is a lot of silly damage can be done launching and recovering so I'd be particularly wary of letting people do that themselves (solent rib charter are incredibly trusting and will let you tow the boat anywhere!) Especially if people are not used to the boat/trailer/slipway.


From a SIB perspective there are some points that spring to mind:

- you'll want people to book up in advance; but SIBs are more weather dependant so people may be more reluctant.
- for 500 for a week, plus a hefty deposit, I might be better just buying a small sib using it for a week and flogging it on.
- with 'bigger' boat charter you can appeal to the SR4/SIB owner who wants to go further afield / with family / go for a weekend without being so weather constrained etc. With SIBs you are more likely to be attracting relative novices.
- If I have booked and paid a lot of money, deposit etc - I 100% expect to be able to turn up and get a boat in perfect condition. It won't be acceptable to get told "sorry the guy last week broke the boat". Given how long it takes to properly patch a rib - that means you need a spare boat, and given the risk of dunking an engine, smashing a drive leg etc - probably a spare engine too!

If you want a little fleet of tiller steered but fairly indestructible boats you might be better with something like this: [self brand promotion] Fun Yak: SECU 12 [/self brand promotion] (there are a whole heap of sizes/styles and competitors too).

Your range might be much restricted with a SIB (or similar) which might mean you can restrict use to categorised waters and (I think) avoid coding depending on your local authorities view of renting boats - and where you are? I know of one place who seem to work this approach, with little 'run arounds' with < 10HP engines that people take to go look at the seals etc.

I think customers might expect that, but does a marina consider this 'commercial' and charge more?

Your suggestion of tying into accommodation is OK - but its an extra level of hassle. Unless you already have a holiday house etc to rent, then your upside there is probably minimal.

Personally I'd like to see more people offering decent ribs for bareboat charter - but unless you either don't do it very commercially (i.e. you only work by word of mouth to trusted customers) or are serious enough to set up a 'proper' business then I think it has the potential to be a lot of hassle/cost compared to the return. In terms of insurance and coding etc - I don't think it is a whole load more complex or involved than skippered charter: it is after all a common approach with yachts. Whilst everyone's initial reaction is probably the same as C2's - I'd be amazed if there is much wilful 'theft' of boats on charter, compared to the careless abuse. The problem with just taking a massive deposit is the customer needs to trust you more than you trust them! At some point you will charge a customer for a new prop when he thinks it was just a little ding and you'll get slagged off on-line; otherwise you'll end up not charging them for minor damage as a gesture of goodwill.

Many thanks Poly, I fully understand and agree that not every hire'er would have the respect and experience as John, and some as you say will have the qualifications but......may not have re-sat there licence, but been out every weekend. It will be tricky to judge some, but I believe i'm a good judge of character,
I fully agree with the launching issues, having seen inexperienced recoveries where most damage can occur, so I could offer a launch and recover service, maybe offer instructions on how to throw off and drive back on, water hight dependable,
As for SIB's, that was just a thought if the rib hire took off. I wouldn't charge those prices either, maybe 200 a week all included for sib's, and 150 or 200 a day for rib, with discounts for more than 1 day,
well if I can get set up I hope to offer a bargain discount package especialy for Ribnet members, a family member owns a wonderful camp site overlooking St Brides Bay and N skomer, I could also arrange accomodation on the island, but would need good notice.
Those Yak's look fun btw, I'll certainly consider if thing's work out.
thank you for sharing your experience, I like the sound of "word of mouth with trusted customers" I'd like to start with those customers,
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If you choose this route I believe a I have a proper BMF boat hand over document which covers what is expected
That would be great, many thanks Ian, I will pm you my details and pay you for any expenses, I'm starting to feel more encouraged now with all the fantastic information that I feel armed and almost ready to go with.
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In a car, you can generally see the things you are about to crash into!
I fully understand what your saying there Tim, however all of us here, that can read a chart properly will also see or at least now to stay away from those area's of concern, plus they'll have an on screen chart with the Lowrance,
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Paul - I'm impressed with your untempered enthusiasm, good luck with it - and if we were ever looking to rib in your part of the world would seriously consider it rather than towing a wee boat all the way.

I would drive it exactly the same way I drive a hire car! But from what others on here say I drive hire cars slightly differently. I usually have a 500 excess (much larger than my own car), I also know that the robbing gits at the hire company will hold all of that 500 until even a minor scratch gets fixed and they know the cost. So I worry more about where I park it, and as I have not become cocky about its exact dimensions pay more attention when squeezing it through small gaps etc. But then I normally drive a tatty old vectra!
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Thank you for your honesty there Poly, and seeing as you'd take precaution with a hire vehicle in a precarious situation, then I'd have no problem hiring to yourself, and others with a similar view. as long as chart marked speed restrictions and local bylaws are followed then I'd have no problem with those wanting to use full throttle, maybe I could restrict speed with those unfamiliar with hitting waves at 40kn+, not that I do that often but we get big gaps between rollers in certain places round hear, where it's safer to get air without slamming into the next one, not always possible though, and I wouldn't want people thinking its possible to hold wot for long periods.
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Old 20 July 2012, 09:37   #29
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Old 20 July 2012, 10:19   #30
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Of the small boat / non rib type of hire ;

Purple Pelican - Self-drive boat hire in Poole

Paul does post on here sometimes so may be worth a chat as he is a friendly chap , but I think they are restricted to inside the harbour only.

Prices could be some kind of help and I 'think ' he has three boats.

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