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Old 19 July 2010, 16:41   #61
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Calling them RHIBs isn't the answer though - it's an ugly word only used by Americans who don't know any better.
Holy God, you're even grumpier than me!

Anyway, HERE, a well respected/read online fishy boating mag. Has a hardcopy following too.

...and I MEAN grumpier than me, which is a worry
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The best thing would be to have a SIB section in the RIB mag.
It's ironic that RIB International started out as "RIB and Small Boat" isn't it!
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"RIBs, SIBs and other Inflatable Toys"

How's that for name, bet it will get good google rank too...

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"RIBs, SIBs and other Inflatable Toys"

How's that for name, bet it will get good google rank too...

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We could have a ropes and rubber section too....
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OK, before we end up in the bilges, here are a few thoughts from my perspective.

There has been talk of starting another RIB magazine for years. Several people have looked into it, but so far no one has decided that it would actually be a good idea. There does seem to be a general feeling that a different magazine could be good to have though.

Traditionally, magazines exist for one reason, and one reason only: to sell advertising and make money. In a small niche with an existing dominant player, starting a new magazine is unlikely to be something that anyone would want to pitch on Dragons' Den! There may be other ways of doing things though, depending on what people want to do any why - not just the publisher, but the contributors and readers too.

Some options:

Go head to head with RIB International
It might be possible to produce a magazine that is so much better than RIB International that it makes it redundant and wipes it out. If you want a profitable, proper glossy magazine, that's what you would need to do. I can't see any way that there would be sufficient advertising to support two competing magazines in this market. It would need someone really committed to go down this route.

Produce an on-line "glossy" magazine
This would avoid the printing costs of a conventional magazine, but still have similar overheads for content and layout. My experience of companies in this industry is that they are pretty conservative, and unlikely to jump at the chance to advertise in an on-line magazine. I also think it's unlikely that many people would actually pay up for a subscription in the long term.

Publish a RIB fanzine
Not bother too much with top quality production, and not really try to make a profit. Look to get enough income to cover costs but rely on volunteers. Might be an interesting read, but unlikely to gather much momentum unless it turns out to be something really special. This appears to be what Glenn is proposing, and he's obviously given it some though. My fear though is that it is likely to fade away after a few issues as the same small group of people get fed up with working their butts off for nothing. It's sort of a bit like the way things worked before the internet.

Write on-line articles
If the main reason for wanting to produce this new magazine is to share your knowledge and experience, rather than to make money, then there's already a place here - the Features section. There's not much in it at the moment, and no one has shown any interest in submitting anything for over a year. Maybe people have missed it? Maybe I need to get out there and ask people to write things? Maybe people just don't get round to it when push comes to shove - which wouldn't bode well for the long term viability of a fanzine style mag.

What will people really buy? What will people really contribute to?
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I think it would be possible to go head to head with RIB International as most people here don't seem happy with it.
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most people here don't seem happy with it.
Yet most people here still go out and buy it!

And if there was another mag going up against RI we'd probably buy both
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Maybe I need to get out there and ask people to write things?
Doing so may help to get some stories off the ground
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Yet most people here still go out and buy it!

And if there was another mag going up against RI we'd probably buy both
A quick tale of 3 UK bike mags.

10-12 years ago there used to be 3 custom bike mags running against each other. The parallel is pretty close to what's being talked about here.

Number one was a glossy,selling spangly sparkly things to people with more money than sense. 80% of it was Harley Fergusons with plastic Pamela Anderson clones perched on them.Small boys used it as a substitute for the underwear section of the Littlewoods catalogue. Hence, the dreamers bought it in droves.

Number two did a lot of home built stuff, some excellent, but HDs and spangly bikes were a rarity.Good engineering was king. They did a load of 'how to' articles, some restorations of classics and bikes built on a shoestring etc.

Number 3 did pretty much what number 2 did, but the syntax was appalling and most of the authors couldn't spell. They used a spellchecker a lot and tried to cut down on proofreading costs.When spellcheckers changed entire words,quite a few articles went to press making absolutely no sense.

Number one bought out number two on it's 2nd time into bankruptcy after 4 years and closed it down. They learned that it's a good idea not to alienate your average person working from their own backyard quite as much as they did so occasionally write something interesting now.

Number 3 lasted about 18 months and disappeared.
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Going by Glenn's prospective cover and as a newbie to RIB's it is totally spot on and the prospective content is exactly what I would love to be able to read. I hope you can pull it off.

There is an issue maybe with the title though - not exactly sexy or dynamic and sounds a bit like 'Wood Turning Monthly' or 'Railway Bridge Enthusiast' etc.

...with apologies to wood turners and bridge lovers who may be on this forum...
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