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Old 17 July 2010, 17:02   #31
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It's funny a MTB mag should be mentioned as this idea has a lot of parallels with Singletrack magazine - this started some years back as the popular bike forum (Google STW) evolved into the mag and the first issues were run hand to mouth effectively by the subscribers putting their faith (and money) in the project. It was also a sort of anti-establishment mag with the emphasis on more mature riders and grown up writing and photography with a minimal number of ads.

It has stayed remarkably faithful to that ethos but has grown and grown to be a much bigger playerl. As has been mentioned earlier though the whole print world is shrinking so it's a tough market out there for sure and RIB's have a much smaller catchment than MTB's.

As with many other riders back then though I'm sure I'm not alone in being happy to put my money up front with a sub if it helps you gain the confidence to go for it!
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Old 17 July 2010, 17:18   #32
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As with many other riders back then though I'm sure I'm not alone in being happy to put my money up front with a sub if it helps you gain the confidence to go for it! [/QUOTE]

Hay, max.

Thanks for the vote of faith.

I have sought some quotes for printing costs. If print is an option form the outset, even for a very limited distribution then that would be the most beneficial outcome.

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Old 17 July 2010, 17:26   #33
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The mags I was talking about were Wideopen and Core Kitesurf mag. Wideopen is still fairly new and in my opinion is a bit long which links back to what I said about it should not be too wordy. I like what the guys are doing though and they put in a lot of effort.

With regards to online vs print. Perhaps the online version could be a flash interactive mag but then you could have links to a downloadable version in PDF format that is setup so you could print it on A3 or A4 paper and staple it into a mag yourself.
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Old 17 July 2010, 19:48   #34
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Glenn,
Great idea that I would fully support.
Subscription upfront - yes worth punt
I've posted a couple of threads re mags etc so great to see this thing growing.
This must be the fastest growing thread in along time!
Best of luck - count me in as somebody who would buy it.
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I'd buy it too.

If you want another writer, I'm up for it too
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With regards to online vs print. Perhaps the online version could be a flash interactive mag but then you could have links to a downloadable version in PDF format that is setup so you could print it on A3 or A4 paper and staple it into a mag yourself.
That's the way I'd go initially, to gauge response without committing to expensive production and distribution costs. You can host this type of thing online. It's produced in InDesign CS5. Has a nice feel to it.
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To get me excited it would need to be a physical print product. Otherwise I can't see it having any advantage over RibNet or "Hotribs" or any other free to view site - and Ribnet is likely to me more immediate and interactive. It may have some form of e-book/on-line readership too for iPad or Kindle owners etc - but I think you'll struggle (in 2010) getting a significant number of people to pay for an on-line only product, or if you end up with advertising getting them to pay for content. I'm not necessarily suggesting you need a production run of 15,000 though - RI (note that is readership - circulation will be lower) only claims a readership of c.20k, and SB&R a circulation of around 12k.
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I already write for SB and RIB - but not exclusively - so if you need more input then just let me know what you're looking for, I do think that long term you will have to pay contributors though ..................
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Old 18 July 2010, 05:44   #39
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An online one I think would have to be free at least to begin with, revenue will have to come from advertising. By getting the word out and building it's popularity you will increase the download count and so make it more valuable to potential advertisers. There are enough web developers lurking on here who I'm sure could whip up one of those flash based e-magazines quick enough.

I think there is a "market" for it along side the likes of RIBnet as many people do not want to trawl through thousands of posts to get the useful information. A magazine brings together some good bits all in one.

Cookee is right too, I'm happy to get involved to get things started but its not something I would do for free forever, especially if it turned into a publication that was making money. As you know Glenn, there is more work involved in producing photos than most people think!
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A few things that I think could go in the mag (based on what I think works in other boaty and non boaty magazines):

Gallery - just big photos with a few words on each.
Technical - contribution from designers, I'd love to see technical articles about naval architecture.
DIY - regular how to series detailing common maintenance and upgrade jobs.
Projects - full articles (or even series) detailing DIY builds and upgrades.
Tests - boat tests, engines and bit and bobs. Could even review commonly available second hand boats/engines.
Company profiles - factory tours, interviews with owners etc.
Tips - regular series providing advice for common issues.
Lauching sites - regular series detailing a different launch site each issue, this is definitely something that can be done with a power of the RIBnet.
Cruising - articles on both places to visit (hand in hand with above) and also articles on big trips people have done.
Adverts - both commercial and private boat ads.

Thats all I can think of right now.
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