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Old 02 March 2009, 14:58   #31
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I think you always learn from training,
but if you think you are experienced, then do the direct assessment Level 2,
then look at doing your internediate / advanced.
These are designed for Ribs, and mostly taught in Ribs and you will learn something.
Especially with a good instructor, who should be able to assess the competence of the students and taylor the learning to their abilities. Ultimately getting the students ability to the required standard or beyond.
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Old 02 March 2009, 15:11   #32
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I different point of view...

So maybe you have boating expereince but as a powerboat instructor, dinghy & yacht sailer, and a 30000+ ton ship driver I wish everyone would not just have expereince but have decent experience..
Think about car driving anyone can drive a car, but they can't all drive a car well. Anyone can drive a boat, but we have all seen someone doing crazy things in or around the water.

Courses help teach you things you may not have done or realised.
If they are immpossed on us by the government then that is different. I did my powerboat when I was 16, why so I had the fundamental knowledge. I hated learning school subjects, but learning about boating and boating techniques was useful. At 16 I had been sailing dinghies for 8 years, and yes I learnt a lot more about powerboats than I could ever learn in a topper!!

I you don't think that an RYA level 2 is going to give you enough experience, then go book yourself in an offshore rescue boat course with the north sea boys, they will show you a thing or too.

I have on a powerboat course not let the students touch the wheel for all their drills, twin screw and no need to, but equally one guy had to use the wheel he just could not get it..

Some people even with the best instructors and courses will still be a liability behind the whell of a boat or a car.

If you want to learn things do a one to one training with a recommended instructor. If you just want to do a course to get a certificate then do a course like that.

I agree with Rogue wave if you have a decent instrucor you will learn something on your cours, because they will show your more advanced techniques and will tailor the course to your needs.

I believe training is best done young as people tend to have less bad habbits to break out of, such as why do I need to wear that dangly red thing around my leg.. I though it was just there to stop you losing the keys..

PS navigating one RIB at 20 knots on flat calm water is different to navigating another one at 50 knots, or at 15 knots in a force 7 wind over tide... Bet you wish you had done the course then!!
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Old 02 March 2009, 15:15   #33
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I think you always learn from training,
but if you think you are experienced, then do the direct assessment Level 2,
then look at doing your internediate / advanced.
These are designed for Ribs, and mostly taught in Ribs and you will learn something.
Especially with a good instructor, who should be able to assess the competence of the students and taylor the learning to their abilities. Ultimately getting the students ability to the required standard or beyond.
This sort of asks the question I ask myself alot - WHY ? What is my 'required standard' . The standard I am at now suits me fine without spending more money proving it to myself/ or anyone else.

I dont 'need' anything more than experiance for what I do now. I dont know for sure but I think THE most important thing to learn ( from teaching or experiance) is the ' go / no go' decision - get this right & you wont need alot of other stuff. This decision changes form day to day, boat to boat , location to location etc so I think you can only learn this from experiance .
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Old 02 March 2009, 15:37   #34
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A lot of people "think" they can drive powerboats it's only when they have been on a course do they realise how much they didn't know especially with regard to safety eg kill cords etc
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Old 02 March 2009, 16:48   #35
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In most walks of life it's the experience that counts for more than anything. Most of the world's top climbers just went out there and did it as do most people who partake in extreme sports.

It's the same with most things - all the qualifications in the world don't really prepare you for the job - you only learn with practice.

It's the same with driving - I passed my test first time but it's only when I got behind the wheel on my own I really started to learn - and I would say it probably took me about 10 years before I was fully happy with my driving skills.

I am NOT saying training is a waste of time for everyone - some people are very apt students whilst others can only learn the hard way!!!
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Old 02 March 2009, 17:44   #36
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As long as you are satisfied then that's fine for you. Might I make the the suggestion that if you had a qualification you would know that your abilities were up to the required standard for a powerboat driver as approved by the MCA rather than just assuming it I'm not an advocate of compulsory training but I do think you should have to take a competency test

I have no delusion that I am the best thing on the water, very far from it in fact. In 2008 I logged over 1200 hours on a commercial rib, 700 hrs driving a Tug and about 250 hours driving a landing craft. During that time I've been frightened twice by the Sea, had a clutch let go towing a crane barge out of Belfast, (major incident that turned into). I had to reverse a dive rib from an oil platform to the mothership on two occasions (bucket failure) and had to deal with a flooded aft compartment, a starboard engine failure and a loss of hydraulic pressure to the steering on the Landing Craft. These are all twitchy and stressful moments if only they could have been avoided with a simple go no go decision.

The point I am making is that there is no substitute for experience but shit happens and time spent with an experienced instructor may help you with your ability to deal with problems when they crop up.

Whatever our new ribowner decides to do about traning then I would suggest he reads Powerboating by Peter White or Paul Glatzels RYA Powerboating book and get a free sea safety check from the RNLI and a copy of the RNLI powerboat safety book

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Powerboating.../dp/1898660735

http://www.amazon.co.uk/RYA-Powerboa.../dp/0901501999
http://www.amazon.co.uk/RYA-Powerboa...ref=pd_sim_b_3

http://www.bluedome.co.uk/competitio...etition39.html

http://www.rnli.org.uk/upload/comple..._up_safety.htm

http://www.rnli.org.uk/upload/comple..._up_safety.htm
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I am NOT saying training is a waste of time for everyone - some people are very apt students whilst others can only learn the hard way!!!

I think you are right I very much doubt I could teach you anything.

Your point about the driving test reinforces my view about a compulsory test the fact you had to have a test meant that you had learned what side of the road you were to drive on ,what the colours meant on traffic lights, how to do a hill start and not to mow down pedestrians. Without a test you might not have bothered with some of the parts of the test that you needed to know. Whilst doing this you were being trained by somebody with more competence and experience than yourself and examined by somebody with a proven level of knowledge.

A then workmate of mine (soumds like one of your lines) son passed his Driving test at 11:00 am on his seventeenth birthday. He had been a member of the Young Drivers Club for years had studied the highway code and was waiting in the car on the drive at 00.00 hours on his birthday had 10 hours intesive tuition and passed his test. I guess he must have had some natural ability as he later went on to become the youngest (i think) World Rally Champion.

But he still had to pass a test to make it all happen.
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Was that Colin McRae or Tom Cave?






Or Dwayne Piper?
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