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Old 26 May 2011, 03:19   #41
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Is there a super-injunction out?
Classic :-)

With the profit being made on all these thefts it can be afforded that's for sure

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Old 26 May 2011, 03:30   #42
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So much for freedom of speach,, with all this PC correctness and all it`s very hard to distinguish one group of people from another , or is that the idea? I`ll say it then ,, its the pikeys !
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Old 26 May 2011, 03:33   #43
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Never heard of such a term - sorry .-)

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Old 26 May 2011, 03:40   #44
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Never heard of such a term - sorry .-)

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Tbh i make sure all my stuff is insured to the max, Then kiss it goodbye when i walk away from it because it might not be there on return . Wifey on the other hand isnt insured , sometimes wish someone would walk away with her
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Old 26 May 2011, 03:40   #45
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well i got two calls yesterday from different officers, which was a result in it self, but i got the matter of fact way they talk to you routine, i knew they weren't going to get onboard when he started going on about prevention.
i let him waffle for a while while a cleaned my boat and serviced my car and had to stop him, so i guess people we are, what we have always expected, on our own, unless of course plod actually fall over one of these inbreeds with an outboard in his pocket.
thankyou for the 1300 watchers, that says a lot, pity the people we pay to do a job can't get any of it done for various reasons
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Old 26 May 2011, 04:45   #46
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You think you're frustrated!

You ought to try it from this side. On 19th May 2011 there were 13 sworn officers working out of my station. From 20th May there are are just 2. The result of re-organisation brought about by the current financial situation. Fortunately those remaining own a RIB & SIB!

Please be mindful about sweeping statements and try not to tar all with one brush. Marine Crime is a priority for some of us.

Marine Crime

Those of you pointing the finger at the travellers are barking up the wrong tree. You know what assume means. The issue of high value, large HP, engine thefts originates from organised gangs from Eastern Europe and that is very quickly where the stolen items are exported.

The best defence is vigilance. These individuals make recces and do their research. This is the time to clock them and record descriptions and vehicle registration marks. Such vigilance has led to arrests in this area.

BBC News - Three arrested over Helford outboard motor thefts

Try not to lose faith. We've all got a part to play in both prevention and detection and RIB netters are amongst the best at playing their part so thanks for that.

Best Regards.
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Old 26 May 2011, 06:27   #47
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I think there is more to this.

There was a case last year where three individuals were charged with possibly twelve thefts in and around Hampshire. The police worked diligently for over a year and the case went to court.

There was a negotiation and the court agreed to accept guilty pleas on a few sample cases.

As a result the individuals received very superficial sentences, largely community service.

This saved the cost of a trial but in no way compensates the police for their hard work or the individuals who lost use of boats of indeed the whole boat!

In my view, this is a very demoralising situation for the police and very unsatisfactory from my perspective as a member of the public who lost use of his boat for some months whilst still paying marina dues!
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As a result the individuals received very superficial sentences, largely community service.

In my view, this is a very demoralising situation for the police and very unsatisfactory from my perspective as a member of the public who lost use of his boat for some months whilst still paying marina dues!
Trouble is as you say, even when they do get caught, the punsihment just doesnt fit the crime.

You only have to look through your local paper to see the soft handouts that are being given.

One last week was a chap with hundreds of convictions and just sent to court for another few burglaries, well what did he get at court, Community order, that will teach him,.......

IMO the whole system is letting us down.
1 - Not enough Police.
2 - The police we do have are filling in forms and dealing with neighbour disputes and dont have the time to actually catch the criminals.
3 - The court system handing out soft sentances.
4 - Full prisons, Why because its not prison. its a holiday camp with sky TV, sony playstations, pool, snooker, gyms, free training (in how to commit crme), more drugs than on the street, 3 meals a day, i could go on......

I'm now getting down off my soap box.....
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I sadly see it from a different angle,, police stopping bikers with small number plates, using police choppers and three police cars to chase a kid who kicked a ball (accidentaly) through a greenhouse window yesterday , police sitting in unmarked cars and vans entrapping drivers for revenue so on and so forth. Ive had my vans broken into and had one stolen in the past ,and have only reported this because i needed a crime number for insurance purposes and didnt expect to get my goods back ( which i didnt) Ive been burgled also and didnt get any valuables back ( i miss my les paul gibson tiger stripe guitar still) It is my opinion that the police are dealing with lesser problems than "petty" crime ,,

Yet my insurances keep increasing .

Lose your boat ,, tough tit ,,
Use your phone whilst driving ,,, NICKED
Chances are when a copper is ticketing you at the roadside,, theres a nicked van/bike / boat trailer going right past.


Sorry if i seem bitter ,, its because i am .
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Sorry if i seem bitter ,, its because i am .
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions

I just think we are a little too harsh on the police. We expect everything from them, but in reality as Kraken999 said, there arent any. Only 2 police officers left for their area.

I appreicate you think they should concentrate on the nicked van etc travelling past, but do they just let the idiot using his phone driving dangerously carry on, with the potential someone will die. Because, hang, who will the public blame for not stopping it.......

I think we have all probably shouted at someone saying "get off your phone".

The number plate thing too, well from what i've been told, people often get their numbers plates so small to avoid detection by the camera readers. Thus in turn some of them are indeed the criminals. Ie the ones doing the survellence to see what they can nick and no one can read the plate to report it.

I agree with certain aspects, as i too have been a victim of crime, mainly car crime but in all honestly if there is no forensic evidence and no witnesses etc how they hell do you find who did it?

I may be slightly biased as i have family in the police and from what i get told they are very much trying to find the criminals and love nothing better than getting someone sent to jail, but get told to do other things too making their job very very difficult.

They have also said the majority of criminals use their vehicles to commit crime and the courts take a very strong stance on traffic legislation so its a better way of getting people off the road, and thus prevent some crime too. if only they took a strong stance on everything it would be a better place.

For example one shoplifter can take an officer of the street for 5 to 6 hours with paperwork, interviews etc etc.
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