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Old 14 December 2009, 15:35   #31
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A good point, unless they do what we do and send them from within the UK and include VAT - the eBay page should make that clear.
They don't and it does, it's in the "very small print indeed" . He copped a neg for it too, which wasn't very sporting of the buyer, but hey, it's fleabay!
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Old 14 December 2009, 16:07   #32
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Thats my point though after been told auto lifejackets are the best its no point floating face up and unconscious with a PLB in your pocket that hasn't gone off.
Chewy I don't think there are any 406 MHz PLBs available with an Auto activation on water option (as opposed to EPIRBs with a "float free" function) - I would guess this is possibly a type approval issue to minimise the number of false alarms. I think there are 121.5 MHz systems that will auto trigger - but these no longer trigger a CG SAR response directly - so someone needs to be looking for you first.

The difference compared to a L/J is if you accidently trigger an auto L/J it costs you about 15 to rearm it and all is well (e.g. if you forget you are wearing it whilst recovering the boat, leave it in the bottom of the boat as Mollers did, or even in a locker). If you accidently trigger a PLB you get a lifeboat/helichopter etc. Whilst in some cases you will be aware you've triggered it and can call the CG to appologise - in the three examples I gave (and they are not exhaustive) you may well not realise its been triggered and have your radio off so not respond to the CG asking whats wrong.

Your chances of survival if unconscious with a PLB in your pocket but not transmitting are still higher with an auto LJ.
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Your chances of survival if unconscious with a PLB in your pocket but not transmitting are still higher with an auto LJ.
But if its not transmitting its pointless.
What I'm getting at is you need to be conscious to activate it, I'm not discussing the pros and cons of auto and manual lifejackets or did you post on the wrong thread?
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But if its not transmitting its pointless.
What I'm getting at is you need to be conscious to activate it,
Yes you need to be conscious to activate it and no there is no risk of you accidentally triggering it on your swim to/from the boat. But you had already been told that when you said:

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Surely if an auto lifejacket is the best suited to normal users then an auto PLB would be best too?
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Thats my point though after been told auto lifejackets are the best its no point floating face up and unconscious with a PLB in your pocket that hasn't gone off.
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I'm not discussing the pros and cons of auto and manual lifejackets or did you post on the wrong thread?
I could have sworn you were drawing parallels... ...I was trying to emphasise that there is a difference. Yes it would be nice if a PLB auto-triggered for the occasion that you are unconscious in the water but to make that pracitcal you need to eliminate the false alarms. With a PLB only manually activated, you are in a very bad situation if you end up unconscious as you go overboard. With a LJ you probably are dead.
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It's probably fair to say too that a lot of "unconcious" MOBs are only stunned, as it were, and will come around in a couple of chilly moments... if they are still afloat.
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With a PLB only manually activated, you are in a very bad situation if you end up unconscious as you go overboard. With a LJ you probably are dead.
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the word "manual" is missing between "a" and "LJ"

He's been sniffing the French Polish again....
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They are a cracking piece of kit, small and light - really easy to carry and use.

You should be able to get one for about 215.00 inc vat and delivery.

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the word "manual" is missing between "a" and "LJ"

He's been sniffing the French Polish again....
Can you confirm Polwart made a mistake my fine Irish friend?
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Can you confirm Polwart made a mistake my fine Irish friend?
He has Begob! He hasn't put this havering in the Bilges yet!
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