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Old 27 April 2010, 16:03   #11
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Sorry about my ignorance...I am new to ribs/boating. What is TFR and toluene? and were can I buy these and how do I apply? Can this damage the tubes if done wrong?

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Wipe it on with a cloth just keep the cloth damp with the toluene it dries in seconds and can be bought at a diving shop that repairs wetsuits or diving dry suits.
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Old 27 April 2010, 16:15   #12
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Sorry about my ignorance...I am new to ribs/boating. What is TFR and toluene? and were can I buy these and how do I apply? Can this damage the tubes if done wrong?

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TFR

TFR is "Traffic Film Remover" it is an industrial cleaner used for cleaning vans, trucks, busses etc and cuts through most things. Its fairly aggressive, so protect your hands etc but the general advice seems to be to apply it with a plastic pan scourer. Presumably these things have different names in Italy. It is unlikely to do any damage to the boat - but some metals don't like it so careful with the trailer etc - and thoroughly rinse it off afterwards.

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Toluene is an organic solvent (methyl benzene). It is not pleasant, is highly flammable, and potentially quite harmful to you if not used with care. You need good ventilation, no naked flames, and good gloves and probably safety glasses if you are going to be sloshing it around. You just want to wipe in with a cloth dampened with toluene - not scrub it. You are effectively disolving some of the outside of the tube with this - so its not something you do every week.

Rather than using neat toluene which is quite expensive, and might be hard to find you might want to find "gun wash" or "thinners" from a spray paint supplier. Gun wash is normally used to clean out paint equipment and so is cheap. Thinners is slightly more "refined" but is also largely toluene based.
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Old 27 April 2010, 17:16   #13
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Thanks for your great help. In reality I am from Malta but when I registered Malta was not included in the list of countries and so I chose the closest place to Malta to register.

Got some questions to your replies:
(1) will a plastic pan scourer scratch the tubes?
(2) do I dilute TRF with water? if yes, how much water with how much TRF?
(3) Will I have to rinse it off immediately ie it can stain the tubes if left for a long time (eg 30min)?
(4) Is TRF better solution and/or more effective then the other mentioned liquid?
(5) is this good for tubes (not PVC ones) hypalon ones?
(6) anything else which I should know before experimenting with TRF? :S


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Old 27 April 2010, 17:37   #14
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Dan,

there are numerous threads here on TFR already, here are some to get you started:

http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?...&highlight=TFR
http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?...&highlight=TFR
http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?...&highlight=TFR
http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?...&highlight=TFR
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Somebody suggested Wurth BMF Cleaner...is this a TRF and good for this purpose? Also 5L can is enough for a 4m Rib? Thanks
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