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Old 01 September 2013, 06:34   #1
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Osprey Sparrowhawk

We have owned Sparrowhawk S48 since 1992 whence she was a mere 18 months old.

The time has now come to consider the awful prospect of selling her on, as annual usage just doesn't seem to warrant the ownership anymore

Equipped with a 1991 Suzuki DT85 she has been an amazing sea-keeper and rapid vessel.

Configured for diving with a single jockey and 8 cylinder SS bottle rack, double A-Frame with lights, aerials etc.

Sitting on an Indespension Roller Coaster 3.5 braked trailer too.

She is now quite tired and I have contemplated making her a renovation project (as there are lots of little things to tweak) but have to realistically accept that I don't have the facilities and time to get it all done in a timely fashion.

So, to stop the rambling and to get to the point; how on earth do I find out her true value and then how/where do I realise that value with so many scams around

Does anyone buy 22 year old RIBs at other than 'scrap' values these days?

I don't really want to do it because it's unlikely I'll be able to get back on the 'ladder' given today's pricings.

Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 01 September 2013, 06:59   #2
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Value will depend on:

- tube condition; although I think sparrow hawk has hard nose? so a retube is cheaper I think ?
- tidiness / general appearance.
- engine conditions

I'd stick some up-to-date pictures on here.

There are people around looking for usable boats with low budgets and who might like the option to fix it up a bit with time.

I don't think you need to worry about Scams. They might waste your time but are unlikely to waste your money unless you do something silly like send the boat without ££.
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Presumably you need some pictures.

So she's tired but is she functional? If she's functional why get rid if you cant raise the capital to replace her? If she's not functional you probably are looking at scrap values..

Tubes? Not sure of current prices - a 4m Searider cost about £2-2.5k a couple of years back to retube. So you could have her retubed for <£4k I'd imagine? Would it need you to have the time or facillities?

Engine? A brand new simillar sized engine will set you back £7-8k? Doesn't NEED to be done all at once - i.e. you could retube this year, re-engine in a couple of years... For that kind of cash I'd be shocked if you couldn't talk a dealer into fitting it and maybe they keep the old engine in return. Again you don't need faciltiies.

That only leaves the hull to titivate. Guess that depends what needs done?

If you are selling and genuinely only getting scrap value but will be ribbing in future I'd be stripping anything you might want to reuse off (VHF etc).
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Thanks for the replies; food for thought indeed.

Yes, the boat is still functional and I suppose we could stage some renovations......

But what more modern engine is going to fit on the fairly narrow beam of a Sparrowhawk and deliver the same sort of performance?

Is there anything the same size/weight as a 1991 DT85??
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I'd be interested in the DT85, if you split her.
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FWIW we bought a 1993 Humber Attaque with a similar aged Yamaha 85 2 stroke on for 5k last Autumn. Dunno if that's what you'd regard as "scrap" money but there are peeps out there looking for a decent boat for not much money. To be fair Woody73 had done a lot of work on the boat so it was/is very well sorted for it's age.
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But what more modern engine is going to fit on the fairly narrow beam of a Sparrowhawk and deliver the same sort of performance?

Is there anything the same size/weight as a 1991 DT85??
Anyone help with this question please?
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A Yamaha 2-stroke 90hp.

Just checked out the weight of your Suzuki DT85 (271lbs or 122kg) and its exactly the same weight of the Yamaha 90hp (122kg). I reckon it's meant to be!
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A Yamaha 2-stroke 90hp.

Just checked out the weight of your Suzuki DT85 (271lbs or 122kg) and its exactly the same weight of the Yamaha 90hp (122kg). I reckon it's meant to be!
Thanks for that information!

I wonder if there are any modern lightweight 4-strokes of a similar size/weight for the power?
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Thanks for that information!

I wonder if there are any modern lightweight 4-strokes of a similar size/weight for the power?
The Suzuki DF70-90hp share the same 4-stroke block and weighs in at 155kg for DF90.

Yamaha's new F70 is just 120kg and gets good reviews, but is expensive, and the F90 is 166kg.

Tohatsu TLDI range - 90hp at 143kg.

Mercury 80hp (4-stroke) is verging on obscene at 181kg or Optimax 90hp at 170kg.

Honda BF75-90hp are 163kg.

Or E-Tec 90hp is 145kg.
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The Suzuki DF70-90hp share the same 4-stroke block and weighs in at 155kg for DF90.

Yamaha's new F70 is just 120kg and gets good reviews, but is expensive, and the F90 is 166kg.

Tohatsu TLDI range - 90hp at 143kg.

Mercury 80hp (4-stroke) is verging on obscene at 181kg or Optimax 90hp at 170kg.

Honda BF75-90hp are 163kg.

Or E-Tec 90hp is 145kg.
Thanks!

Looks like the answer may be no then!
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Orville Are you considering re engining the boat just to sell her or for keeping?

replacing the enginine is a lot of expense and a bit of hassle to sell an old boat especially if its working.

If your keeping her get the F70 its a very powerful small and light engine little engine (we own one) and it takes a lot for me to say that cos I'm a died in the wool two stroke guy.
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Orville Are you considering re engining the boat just to sell her or for keeping?

replacing the enginine is a lot of expense and a bit of hassle to sell an old boat especially if its working.

If your keeping her get the F70 its a very powerful small and light engine little engine (we own one) and it takes a lot for me to say that cos I'm a died in the wool two stroke guy.
I would only be re-engining to keep.

Do you think the difference between a 1990 85Hp and a 2014 70Hp would be overtly noticable; would I always be disappointed and miss that 15Hp?

Did Suzuki measure the output at the prop in the early 1990s or was it at the powerhead?

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In this instance no I don't think so
Why don't you come all the way down from Bristol to Southampton and have a go in our 5 metre with the yammie on board. It's not for sale so you can have a go without any worries.

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I found this on another thread, quite useful and saves looking up all the weights!


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Do you think the difference between a 1990 85Hp and a 2014 70Hp would be overtly noticable; would I always be disappointed and miss that 15Hp?
Depends what shape your old Soozook is in. If it's got good compression and in a decent state of tune, then the difference would be noticeable, but if it's had a lot of hard use and is now a bit tired, then the difference would diminish.
The Yam will be quieter, cleaner and more fuel efficient, but the Soozook will have better acceleration and top end if it's in good order.

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could we make this a sticky please
Stu, its only a partial list which probably doesn't really warrant a sticky, but I've added some tags to make it easier to search for.
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Depends what shape your old Soozook is in. If it's got good compression and in a decent state of tune, then the difference would be noticeable, but if it's had a lot of hard use and is now a bit tired, then the difference would diminish.
The Yam will be quieter, cleaner and more fuel efficient, but the Soozook will have better acceleration and top end if it's in good order.


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copy that on the power output Bras

but don't forget st me and |I hate 4 strokebut s but this f70 is really a stunning engine. we have it on a 5 metre rib with a 21 inch prop we started off with a 15 and so farthe engine is saying give me a bigger one. 38 knots so far swinging a 21 inch prop and our bottle went but there was loads left in th engine.

i'd stick it on the sr54 to try but its got complicated wiring ( anti theft etc, a bad point I think) which makes it not worth the effort

it only weighs 10 kilos more than the 70 betol

Sof far its only the F70 that has done it to me but I understand they are bring ing out lightweight 90

In fact its such a good engine I've been thinking of Having the hull breathed on by Llnley swann so we can get the max out of the engine


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