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Old 07 November 2008, 17:40   #41
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No one is suggesting compulsory engine stop cords or lifejackets,
The Port of London Authority is suggesting exactly that!!!
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It may be possible to enforce carrying them in certain areas under port authority but how could they possibly enforce the use of them?
Laws are only of use if it is possible to enforce them and this one is unenforcable plus it would take a sea change (excuse the pun) in attitude to make leisure boating subject to most law and be obeyed by most folk.
It is one of the few relatively areas of life that you are still in control of your risks without major H&S bullshit, not sure how they would get round this?
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Kill chords / regulations

I am a great believer in kill chords and stand behind the idea to the extent that is a two strikes sacking offence at my centre.

However I am not just looking at our instructors being safe but also setting a good example hence the particularly strict approach.

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The Port of London Authority is suggesting exactly that!!!
I believe these sort of regulations are the very reason that common sense is dying. If you take away people decision making then they do not develop common sense.

As much as I believe all drivers should wear kill chords in small open powerboats when making way I donít believe it should be law.

Our sport is comparatively un legislated and in fact there are very few major incidents. We can all name some famous headline cases of rare accidents and all post links to the Calshot lifeboat having to ram a RIB that was minding its own business going round in circles; however I donít think regulation is the solution or required.

As already said it would help if supposed professionals helped by setting a good example in their magazines.
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Old 08 November 2008, 05:22   #44
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(Regrettably) I am old enough to remember the introduction of compulsory:

Seatbelt use (front and back seat!) in cars
Passenger side wing-mirrors in cars
Headrests in cars
Restriction of children to back seats in cars
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and Lifejacket use in small craft
(all above in Irish Republic)

We complained bitterly about the introduction of all of these, and cited common sense, nanny stateism etc... but all the legislation has saved numerous lives since, despite our objections to it.

I'd happily add Killcord use to the list
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Surely keeping one hand on the throttle at all times is a good safety requirement. I've a few people in photos and at sea who set the throttle then just hold on!
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Yes 100% - smaller fletcher type ski boats - no chance of a kill cord/ lifejacket. Users seem to prefer wet demin to keep them afloat & general poor maintainence to stop the engine. If they drown the 15 cans of special brew will stop them feeling anything.

BIG BIG cruisers types - They will never fall off & as they dont ever do more the 2 knots they will swim to catch up- if they drown they wont feel anything due to the amount of GIN in thier system.

OK - General sweeping statement but I am guessing we have all seen the types alluded to ?
They are two ridiculous statements to make, I am a member at an average size waterskiing club and it is not a rule to wear a killcord of lifejacket, but nearly ALL DO!!! You are trying to say that all ski boat owners go out in jeans with a crate of beer?

My parents also had a sunseeker manhattan 52 kept in the Carribean a few years ago. To say that all cruiser owners only do two knots is stupid.
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they are two ridiculous statements to make, i am a member at an average size waterskiing club and it is not a rule to wear a killcord of lifejacket, but nearly all do!!! You are trying to say that all ski boat owners go out in jeans with a crate of beer?

My parents also had a sunseeker manhattan 52 kept in the carribean a few years ago. To say that all cruiser owners only do two knots is stupid.
I think you need to RTFP....
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Nos - what does RTFP mean ? ?????


Whitenight - my comments were not aimed at anyone specific ( ie you parents) - just trying to give a nod of the head to the types that do fall into those categories ............. personal experience shows me that there a lot of people that come close to the 2 areas I meant - anyone seen the latest RIB magazine - with ' superyacht tender' - howmany poeple in ANY of those pics have a lifejacket on ?

I will admit that not ALL fletcher type ski boats are run by dickheads , but I see alot near me that have no idea what safety even means - let alone do anything about it. They are the ones I end up towing in around 4-5 pm !

Ribbers can also be dickheads ! Me included ( there no favouritism ! )

See --- me 50Kts - no lifejacket - not clever !
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Nos - what does RTFP mean ? ?????
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Ribbers can also be dickheads !
I'll have you know that I resemble that remark!
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Thanks willk ! All crystal clear -I thought it may be something like that ...........
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