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Old 06 November 2008, 12:05   #21
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(I don't think the RYA like using the word 'KILL' (cord) anymore when talking about powerboat safety)
The RYA does still use the word killcord.

One big issue with killcords is the numerous cords out there which are just twirly bits of plastic that will snap after UV exposure or from heavy use.

Type & Conposition of Killcords

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Using killcords when teaching children
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Old 06 November 2008, 12:16   #22
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Looking throw motorboat and yachting this mourning I came across an article about the windy 760 and in the pictures where the boat been driven by someone clearly not wearing a lifejacket or kill cord.
This is pretty common place across adverts, brochures and magazines. I see it as a sign of company that does not understand the issues or really care about the sport or its customers.

I belive that in the UK there are still more people operating small high speed craft in the summer and not usinng kill chords than there are who are.
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Old 06 November 2008, 13:13   #23
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Looking throw motorboat and yachting this mourning I came across an article about the windy 760 and in the pictures where the boat been driven by someone clearly not wearing a lifejacket or kill cord.
Unless I am mistaken then there were three people in the latest PBO all on board a small open boat whilst the magazine tested its claims to be unsinkable. As far as I could see none where wearing l/j's or kill cord - despite clearly modifying the stability characteristics of the boat and trying to sink it! OK so there was a camera boat on hand - but it struck me that it was a bit of daft journalism - as they clearly had no expectation that they were going to sink.
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Even the engine makers have wised up.
do you think they have been sued by someone, for not encouraging them to use theirs? thats the sort of thing that focuses the mind.
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According to MBY's editor, that's a stock photo from the manufacturers website
is that a defence?
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One big issue with killcords is the numerous cords out there which are just twirly bits of plastic that will snap after UV exposure or from heavy use.
not sure that criticism is generally true for leisure boats though. - kill cord tends not to be overused or exposed to UV for long periods. Bigger issue for training centres etc - but then they should have more rigorous safety/inspection auditing procedures in place.
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Take for example this pic from a well known cruise line, don't they realise the danger they're putting these folks in without issuing correct safety gear.
Blimey .. Is that Peter Stringfellow finally eyeing up someone his own age ? ,..
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Old 06 November 2008, 16:04   #25
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is there a link between irresponsible advertising ( courtesy Rib net police) and the "lets go round Britain in a gale 8, 4m rib being indestructable, 4x4 of the sea etc....."

or is there only 1 side to the story

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is there a link between irresponsible advertising ( courtesy Rib net police) and the "lets go round Britain in a gale 8, 4m rib being indestructable, 4x4 of the sea etc....."

or is there only 1 side to the story

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Only for those hoping to win Darwin awards or someone deliberately taking statements out of context.

Of course nothing is invincible. Only the terminally stupid would believe otherwise. However, only the terminally stupid would go out without lifejackets and the killcord not used. We can't be responsible for every idiot out there or what they read into what's said. However,showing use of basic safety equipment is a responsible thing to do.

Still, it's quite telling that common sense isn't common...
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is there a link between irresponsible advertising ( courtesy Rib net police) and the "lets go round Britain in a gale 8, 4m rib being indestructable, 4x4 of the sea etc....."

or is there only 1 side to the story

Not very constructive !

Example of 2 people being killed because of no kill cord.


http://www.maib.dft.gov.uk/publicati...tin_1_2005.cfm


This is not just the driver but inocent people. As a skipper you have to be resposible, the other people on the boat may not have a clue that you as a skipper not wearing a kill cord may kill them.
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I would never go out without a kill cord and fully endorse the use of lifejackets when needed

Just interested in the application of "common sense" in each situation - as I said - debate ....
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I'l admit that common sense for me is when I'm going up the river ( flat calm ) at 4knts ( or less) I take it off as it allows me to move around the boat without stopping the engine every time . Like wise I dont always wear a life jacket in the same situation .

BUT common sense for me is when I get the end of the river & the water goes from river ( 4 ft deep ) to sea ( alot deeper ) & I will go from 4 knts to 40 kts I will always have a life jacket & killcord on/ attached. Yes there have been occasions when the want to have fun overtakes the 'common sense approach' I should have when I am doing 40 knts 4 ft off the water !- but isn't that part of the appeal of what we do in any boat ? - we can choose - we are not forced to do anything ( unlike most other 'fun' pastimes). We know the risk - we asses it & we act accordingly - isn't that what common sense is ?
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We know the risk - we asses it & we act accordingly - isn't that what common sense is?
Yes.

But what we have hear is an example of a manufacturer not setting a good example and that not being picked up on by the publication.

No one is suggesting compulsory engine stop cords or lifejackets, just that it would be right and proper for the builders and journos to show photos of people "doing it right".

The RNLI spend (our) money advertising the valid fact that lifejackets are useless unless worn, all of which is undermined when a magazine shows a photo of the boat being driven naked.
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