New transom. - Page 2

nugent · 01 September 2014, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Chris Caton

nice one, Ed's a top man, but don't tell him I said so

n don't forget to post some photos

Lol do I ever do any thing with out photos

nugent · 01 September 2014, 18:10

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Originally Posted by biffer

About time you done some proper work, break out you're rubber gloves luv, I've got some sticky to do

Yer the one int um,,,
Biff if I try to. Bend 2 mm ali pipe 34mm dia will it simply crush ? Or not!
Mocked up my a frame from 2 mm ali,pipe but mitred it to get shape I wanted and tigged it up,
Current shape is what I want But now want to bend it all proper like but also keep it light and powder coated black so, not wanting stainless really ,
It's got to be cut down I height yet

biffer · 02 September 2014, 07:17

You Won't be able to bend it mate, you could have a go at heating it up but I don't think you'll get any good results

biffer · 02 September 2014, 07:18

You could try heating it up, I don't reckon you'll be able to do it though, need formers and guide I'm afraid

biffer · 02 September 2014, 07:20

Sorry for the double, it told me I couldn't post the first one due to some error, never mind, just in case you need telling twice

nugent · 02 September 2014, 09:04

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Originally Posted by biffer

Sorry for the double, it told me I couldn't post the first one due to some error, never mind, just in case you need telling twice

I was going to hire a pipe bender for the day
but not sure if it will just crush being ali

Pikey Dave · 02 September 2014, 09:27

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Originally Posted by nugent

I was going to hire a pipe bender for the day
but not sure if it will just crush being ali

I'm no expert on ali (I've done plenty of galv & stainless) but I'd say it depends on the grade of ali & how tight you're bending. If you keep to 135deg or more, you should be ok. Less than that & it might start to fold on the inside of the bend, possibly crack on the outside. Suck it & see

Have you got some spare material you can experiment with? If I was hiring one (a bender; oooeeerrr matron), I'd take a length to the hire shop & try it first.(fnaar fnaar)

biffer · 02 September 2014, 09:34

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Originally Posted by nugent

I was going to hire a pipe bender for the day
but not sure if it will just crush being ali

My opinion is that you will need the former and guide to get it right, without getting into compression and stretching of tube, it will flatten, I can see from your pics that you want a couple of bends at around 60 and 30 degree.
Why don't you wait till I get back and come down here and form them up properly

nugent · 02 September 2014, 18:22

[QUOTE="biffer;643780"] My opinion is that you will need the former and guide to get it right, without getting into compression and stretching of tube, it will flatten, I can see from your pics that you want a couple of bends at around 60 and 30 degree. Why don't you wait till I get back and come down here and form them up properly[/QUOT

Now that's an excellent idea

Cheers sir !

Rogue Wave · 02 September 2014, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Mercury

Nugent ( Edd ) Has kindly agreed to take it on, Colin...

Was there any particular reason you didn't want to take it to Mike Whittam who is possibly the best marine laminator in the country, if not certainly one of them.

I think a lot of Ed ( and his craftsmanship ) and truly mean no offence by this, but if I wanted a new transom put in I'd go to a man what builds boats for a living and has done it many times.

However you pays your money and you takes your choice!

p.s this is one of the most difficult posts I've had too post as I'm looking for a good deal on graphics and signs for our new units. Anybody know if Mike Whittam has got a box of crayons

ShinyShoe · 02 September 2014, 19:20

Counter view... Mike builds boats for a living. Nugent rebuilds boats for fun.

This is a rebuild job...

If it was one of Mikes originals I'd have gone to him. But I suspect it wouldn't have needed done... But I would think Nugent may well have the dedication to do absolutely everything possible to make it the best transom achievable... Mike needs the job to be an economically viable repair...

Rogue Wave · 02 September 2014, 20:21

Firstly I'm not attacking Ed I'm merely reinforcing his comment that Mike is a better Laminator and then asking the OP why he chose to go with a less experienced guy

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

Counter view... Mike builds boats for a living. Nugent rebuilds boats for fun.

This is a rebuild job...

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I d say a more pertinent statement would be that ED refurbishes boats for fun

I agree it is a rebuild job and not a refurb and replacing a transom is a long way from sticking on a bit of Flo Coat or a Console. By your own comments you are saying that Mike is a Professional and Ed isn't. I would suggest (having done it a few times,) that the knowledge of GRP needed to rebuild a transom is greater than that needed to make one in the first place. So for me its experience, craftsmanship and quality everytime and not enthusiasm, craftsmanship and quality

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

If it was one of Mikes originals I'd have gone to him. But I suspect it wouldn't have needed done... .

I have the greatest of respect for Mikes work and Osprey Ribs but not for one second do I think they are of superior (nor inferior) build quality to an Avon. The reason why transoms go is usually because transom holes have been drilled and not properly sealed or some other form a water saturation or that its been overpowered at some time.

I don't believe it makes a difference who built the boat in the first place It's broken and that particular repair would be best fixed by a proven specialist. If I take your statement literally does this mean you would probably have taken the SR4 to Avon

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

But I would think Nugent may well have the dedication to do absolutely everything possible to make it the best transom achievable... Mike needs the job to be an economically viable repair...

I like ED I give him most of my pocket Money ( I give whats left over to Mike) and I am certainly not criticising his dedication and integrity I'm questioning his experience of this critical job. Lets say Ed has fitted 6 transoms and Mike has fitted 60 and works with GRP full time. D'ya think Mike may have picked up a few tricks of the trade to speed up the Job and make it a cost effective repair.

My question to the OP was why did he make his choice not to go with a very cost effective professional laminator and Rib Builder.

Out of interest has Ed ever replaced a transom for you (or a friend) and if not on what do you base your endorsement.?

I can see me making my own graphics the way this thread is going

kerny · 02 September 2014, 20:28

Stu from reading your first post I knew exactly what you meant and I am sure that Ed understands where you are coming from also.

Rogue Wave · 02 September 2014, 20:31

That's cos we is Old

kerny · 02 September 2014, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

That's cos we is Old

What do you mean we ? Speak for yerself

Pikey Dave · 02 September 2014, 21:47

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Originally Posted by kerny

What do you mean we ? Speak for yerself

Whatsup with you anyway, you'd normally have the popcorn out by now. On a diet (again)?

kerny · 02 September 2014, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Whatsup with you anyway, you'd normally have the popcorn out by now. On a diet (again)?

Stu's a mate

not got many...

ShinyShoe · 02 September 2014, 23:14

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

I d say a more pertinent statement would be that ED refurbishes boats for fun

I'd say some of the stuff I've seen pictures of are not refurbs but rebuilds. Once the deck is off its not a T cut and turtle wax job...

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By your own comments you are saying that Mike is a Professional and Ed isn't. I would suggest (having done it a few times,) that the knowledge of GRP needed to rebuild a transom is greater than that needed to make one in the first place. So for me its experience, craftsmanship and quality everytime and not enthusiasm, craftsmanship and quality

Ive always though transom replacement on old boats was not commercially viable. Maybe Mike does 6 a year. But would guess on £1k boats few will pay £1k for a repair. I may be wrong...

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I have the greatest of respect for Mikes work and Osprey Ribs but not for one second do I think they are of superior (nor inferior) build quality to an Avon. The reason why transoms go is usually because transom holes have been drilled and not properly sealed or some other form a water saturation or that its been overpowered at some time.

I don't believe it makes a difference who built the boat in the first place It's broken and that particular repair would be best fixed by a proven specialist. If I take your statement literally does this mean you would probably have taken the SR4 to Avon

If I thought someone at Avon might actually build them maybe. No idea where or when Avon actually made one last. The knowledge of how it was originally laid up would be valuable. But I have no doubt Avon would add a zero to the price tag.

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I like ED I give him most of my pocket Money ( I give whats left over to Mike) and I am certainly not criticising his dedication and integrity I'm questioning his experience of this critical job. Lets say Ed has fitted 6 transoms and Mike has fitted 60 and works with GRP full time. D'ya think Mike may have picked up a few tricks of the trade to speed up the Job and make it a cost effective repair.

No doubt. But speed is maybe more important to someone making money out of the job.

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My question to the OP was why did he make his choice not to go with a very cost effective professional laminator and Rib Builder.

Out of interest has Ed ever replaced a transom for you (or a friend) and if not on what do you base your endorsement.?

Never met either. I've replaced a transom myself on a boat once using Marine ply only and was rated to 4hp Max. I didn't endorse either. I merely speculated why you'd pick one over another... The boat I replaced my transom on wasn't worth £100 before I replaced it. It'd have cost me that in fuel to take it to one of these guys there and back...

I guess I'm contrasting to a car with a dinghed door... So I can go to the dealer and they fit a new door, new glass, new licks the whole shebang. They will make it look like new. They will charge me plenty for the pleasure. Or I can go to a body shop and they can panel beat it and respray. It will still be a damned good job and most people would never know. But I won't have paid for new locks, windows etc... Or I can hit it with a hammer, fill the dints and buy a can of spray from halfords.

OK so the transom is a bit more structural than the car door... But the point I'm making is I reckon I could replace the transom on a boat and it be structurally sound. It would take me far longer than Ed and Mike put together. But it would not be a pretty solution...

If he'd posted on here that he'd been in touch with Mike and Ed but decided to get his local motorbike repair shop to do the work because they have a bit of experience with fibreglass repairs then I'd be worried....

Not trying to start an argument. I just think if someone came to me with two identical SR4s one that Nugent had replaced the transom on and one that Mike had I'd probably struggle to tell the difference and other than any warranty that a commercial repair might carry I'm not sure I'd be bothered which I had...

Rogue Wave · 03 September 2014, 00:37

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe;643935Never met either. I didn't endorse either. d...[/QUOTE

[QUOTE=ShinyShoe;643880

. But I would think Nugent may well have the dedication to do absolutely everything possible to make it the best transom achievable..

I'm the first to admit that I struggle with the finer points of our language but to me that's an endorsement

nugent · 03 September 2014, 05:37

My only note is

I did also recommend mike my self in this thread, as I did biffer
I buy a lot from mike and he buys lots of bits from me ,,,
his experience and skills are far better than mine I agree, But I am not going to turn work away, if asked to do it,,

Customers choice and times and dates to get it done is all it's about,, but either way my transom will out live me,,

Yes crayons are here stu when ya need em