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Old 12 February 2008, 06:34   #11
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The petition is for BOTH Commerical and Leisure Boat owners. I feel that it is very important that we ensure that the speed limit is not enforced and the way to do this is to prove to the PLA that this is not the right thing for London. Furthermore, I know that David Foster, the Harbour Master does not like RIBS. Have you set a date for your meeting with the PLA?

E Johnson the petition is as follows "We, the undersigned, call on The Port of London Authority that no further speed restriction be enforced (other than ease down points where necessary due to wash) after Cherry Gardens, Wapping down river towards Thamesmead/Dagenham."

The current speed limit is for commercial passenger vessels and the petition concerns further plans for donwstream - fair enough but it does not mention other areas of the river which are planned for upstream. My concern is port-wide from Teddington to safe water mark.

A date is already set for my meeting with the PLA. It is to discuss other matters but I will raise this speed limit issue then.

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Why have one at all??? Have to be imposed? No "have to" about it yet another example of a few idiots imposing their will on everyone - just like Windemere.
Well sadly there are a few unwelcome visitors who launch and tear up the river causing problems, and the PLA want to stop that.
It also didn't help when the passenger jet boat (RIB) skipper dropped the wrong bucket and slammed into Albert Bridge

Having been on the river for many years and watched the introduction of the fast RIB rides, and the doubling of the fast Thames Clipper services, along with the increase in visiting power boats, I always knew the introduction of a speed limit would be imposed. Shame really
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Well sadly there are a few unwelcome visitors who launch and tear up the river causing problems, and the PLA want to stop that.
It also didn't help when the passenger jet boat (RIB) skipper dropped the wrong bucket and slammed into Albert Bridge

Having been on the river for many years and watched the introduction of the fast RIB rides, and the doubling of the fast Thames Clipper services, along with the increase in visiting power boats, I always knew the introduction of a speed limit would be imposed. Shame really

I suspect it's down to the introduction of fast rib rides as well. I have heard many rumblings about how they are taking a significant proportion of the trade away from normal cruisers as well which is sure to be influencing the number of complaints etc.

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.............We have made this move, after a thorough risk assessment, because of a significant and welcome increase in the number of fast passenger vessels on the Thames. .................
All these high speed boats are welcome because they allow us to make lots more rules to stop them, therefore showing off our power to the proles. Of course, we'll waive the rules for anyone in our gang.

There's no wonder that lots of people from the souf are running north. What a bloody country we (well, you ) live in. Too many people with not enough to do except push others around. Nowt's worth living in a place like that.
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Old 12 February 2008, 14:27   #15
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There has already been a speed limit enforced between Wandsworth Bridge to Cherry Gardens, Wapping. The PLA are trying to get this extended. When they enforced the limit they tried to keep it as quiet as possible and nothing was put on their web-site. It was only when the media found about it and they were put under pressure that they put something on the web-site. They want to try and keep this as quiet as poss and get it enforced with a minumum amount of fuss. We need to build a campaign with a strong spokesperson so that when it is out to consultation we can have our views known. Therefore, it is important that we get as many people on the petition below and also some strong comments.

http://www.gopetition.com/online/16885.html
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Wow at last a 72' canal narrowboat will be classed as a high speed craft, last time I took one of mine down the tidal thames we were doing 13 to 15 knots SOG at 3/4 throttle.
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There has already been a speed limit enforced between Wandsworth Bridge to Cherry Gardens, Wapping.
You are wrong here. There has never beeen a speed limit downstream of Wandsworth Bridge.

There has always been an 8 knot limit upstream of Wandsworth Bridge, and no one is disputing this.

However, a vessel must proceed with due care to ensure that the wash does not cause damage.

However, the petition is a good idea, but any limit imposed downstream of Wandsworth Bridge must be rejected.
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Ok I will let you into some of my experiences and knowledge from working on the Thames as a fast rib ride skipper!

First of I can see why the PLA is trying to bring this rule in, the fast rib rides running on their river are a thorn in their side as the boats are operated under MCA rules which the PLA have to allow. This means Skippers can be commercially endorsed Advanced Powerboat/Yachtmasters, whereas the rest of the boats on the river are operated by the Thames Water/lightermen.

I know the companies operating in London tried to keep the peace by using watermen at first but these guys were some of the biggest trouble makers, in terms of ribs running on the Thames as they continually ran flat out and drove the boats like they stole them. In the end the companies went to using the commercially endorsed skippers as well as trusted watermen (as with all people in life there was good and bad eggs).

The Thames is a hectic place to work and with many slow moving craft often the only safe way to navigate was to cut between boats and using knowledge of the river cut inside moored barges. I often felt as if I wasn’t welcome when coming alongside at certain piers by the larger boats but on the whole the masters of the big vessels were really nice guys and very accommodating.

I feel the issue lies with the PLA and their dislike of the fast ribs running on the Thames, I can see their point but London Rib Voyages has rightfully given an award placing it in the top 5 must do things in London! It really is a unique way to see London !
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Hi Chris

We have been running events more and more on The Thames. We try our hardest to run a safe and proffessional service. We run at under 15 knots (wash permitting) under the bridges and then increase speed down river where it is safely possible.

We have never had a good response from other commercial river users, we have been complained about for no reason and even had abusive language shouted at us from passenger vessles.

We are as keen as anyone for the river to be as safe as possible but an instant speed limit on everyone is not the right answer, this should be a case by case basis.

I have written to the cheif harbour master requesting advice on how we can be involved in the consultation - I will let you know the outcome. It appears as if they are trying to keep this very quiet.

We have also spoken with the legal departement at the RYA, it is worth contacting them and logging your views with them, they have taken it seriously and have implied they willl ''stamp all over it' when the consultation period arises.

Do keep me up dated on your progress.

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I have just noticed that the high speed ferry operators will be able to apply for permit allowing them to maintain speed in other areas so they can "meet their schedules"!!!

In other words the people who are causing a problem will soon be exempt and it's us pleasure boaters who will suffer - i woul'd feel far safer at 30kts than 12 with one of those bearing down on me!!!
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