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Old 20 November 2003, 11:35   #1
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New RYA Powerboat tickets

Are there any of the RYA trainers out there?

Whats the real story on the new qualifications?

Heard that advanced is going to become easier - daylight only.
To teach this you will have to have done the next level up ( no change there).
But this new level is going to a real sod much harder than current Advanced instructor - DoT power yachtmaster level / Comercial short sea masters ticket.

Come on whats the truth?
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Old 21 November 2003, 03:56   #2
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Here we go then!!!

Hi All

These are the following proposed RYA changes tbc-

Introduction To Powerboating (level 1)
- will stay the same but also now become the Junior Powerboat course for 8 years up.

National Powerboat Certificate (level 2)
- will stay the same apart from now 90% water 10% class room

Safety Boat
- Stays the same

NEW Intermediate course
- to prepare yourself for the advanced, no night time

Advanced Powerboat course
- now equivlant to Coastal Skipper, still some changes to be advised but looks like its going to be harder. Still noght time work.

after a date next year you can no longer get a commercial endorsment from this course. You have to take a further advanced powerboat exam with a trainer not instructor, aswell as the other relevant courses, vhf, ss, 1st aid etc.

ICC will change, a Level 2 will get you an icc for <10m and coastal skipper for >10m.

Day Skipper - From next year if you are a Advanced PB Instructor and hold a YM ticket, you can go on a 2 day exam and then teach Day Skipper Theory.

Paul, do you have anything to add?

Hope this makes sense.
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Old 21 November 2003, 05:02   #3
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Jono (the first!!)

Do you know what the date is that APB can no longer be commercially endorsed?

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Old 21 November 2003, 06:01   #4
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As I understand from our series of meetings the intermediate will be introduced from next season and avoids nightwork, as there are apparently people who want the content of the advanced without going out in the dark. It will also IMHO it will be a useful course to act as a primer for the advanced, which is a long way beyond level 2 if done properly. Advanced may contain elements such as finding unlit mark at night which was previously only req on trainer course/assesment and a different search technique than sector search (damn-we were good at that!). If the unlit mark bit comes in that will stretch folk a bit more as at times on clear nights lit marks are easier to find at night than during the day!Possibility/probability of from 2005 the commercial endorsement to advanced will only be available after taking an exam at a school other that the one at which you did your adv course so that you have an exam pass and not just course completion certificate.
I'll get the very latest lowdown next week when I get chance, but good old HM Coastguard are sending me on a 4x4 and long trailer towing(!) course so it will be latter half of week.
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Old 21 November 2003, 09:03   #5
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Endorsement

I assume (rightly or wrongly?) that existing endorsements/arrangements will be honoured - or will it apply retrospectivley and there be a need for a load of re-training?!?

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Current tickets will be honoured.

It was outlined at the Powerboat Trainers & Principal conference a couple of weeks ago that only Trainers will be allowed to offer the Advanced exam for commercial endorsment.
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Old 21 November 2003, 10:52   #7
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Reply from the proverbial "horses mouth" at RYA this afternoon
"Sector search can still be taught it will say search's you then choose depending on candidate ability
Exam can be done at same school as training but examiner will be independent - just like coastal / Yachtmaster
Intermediate will be there partly as you say but as Advanced will be raised a bit the gap will be bigger still so most people will need some additional help. Also we need to teach electronic nav and how to use with trad better as well!"

also i asked when they were up here a few months back and the situation was
Existing commercial tickets will have "grandfather rights"
Will there be a rush to gather the bits to endorse advanced tickets as comercial?- I wonder!
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Will there be a rush to gather the bits to endorse advanced tickets as comercial?- I wonder!
To perhaps join in this rush - what requirements are there for the commercial endorsement?
It was February this year when we were told, but I have long forgotten that, and didn't write it down either
I remember a medical and the adv. cert being two, but am not sure what else.

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from memory, and I'm quite happy to be corrected - medical, sea survival ticket, 1st aid cert and probablysrc radio. the RYA will send you a medical form if you ask training section (cos Ive got one here that I asked for )
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Hi Dave,
Good to meet you @ the NEC Sunday.
How about teaching the Intermidiate? what Quals? i.e. level 2 instructor or Advanced?

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