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Old 21 November 2003, 15:27   #11
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Yes it was a good weekend wasnt it.
Nice to meet up, hope to see you in summer when we do our busmans holiday again.
Did you like my job up in the front of that 6.3m. I am now official ballast for show boats!
Got to be A.I. (at the moment anyway)for the intermediate.
regards to Ashley and your "onshore caterer"-what a team!
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Old 21 November 2003, 15:43   #12
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Thanks for that info Dave.... after a lot of trawling around the RYA website, I found that medical form, and finally the requirements too.
Not sure about going to get a medical as yet though, unless the company puts me through it that is!! I like the idea of the sea survival ticket though - just seen what it involves which would be well useful. Was meant to do the RYA 1st Aid this year at Neyland YC, but for some reason it didn't happen - will maybe push for that later on this year or beginning of next year.

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Looks like some good changes, and not before time!

I can't see the sense of the ICC distinctions though as the training levels don't bear any relation to size of boat.

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Old 22 November 2003, 13:33   #14
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Good summation, just to add a few bits:

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Introduction To Powerboating (level 1)
- will stay the same but also now become the Junior Powerboat course for 8 years up.
Level 1 will be offered aged 8 upwards but the children will only watch the launching rather than be involved. Craft must be fitted with two killcords. Craft used must be suitable for the children. Schools offering the course will obviously need to ensure they are up to scratch re Child Protection. Level 2 will be offered for kiddies 12 upwards (as now) but the wording of the endorsement changes.

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National Powerboat Certificate (level 2)
- will stay the same apart from now 90% water 10% class room
The % mix is not a mandatory thing but to emphasise the need to undertake as much as possible out on the water rather than be tied to the classroom.

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NEW Intermediate course
- to prepare yourself for the advanced, no night time
Perhaps a way to look at this course is as a cruising course. The course will take the knowledge from Level 2 re areas such as passage planning, navigation, tides etc and then use this to plan & execute passages with a far greater involvement of GPS. The course can only be run by advanced centres but they will need to ensure their operating area supports suitable passages (or they run coded boats). It will operate as a very good stepping stone to advanced but moreso addresses the demand for a course after level 2 but not requiring the extra 'investment' needed to go onto the advanced course. We expect this course to be hugely popular


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Advanced Powerboat course - now equivlant to Coastal Skipper, still some changes to be advised but looks like its going to be harder. Still noght time work.

after a date next year you can no longer get a commercial endorsment from this course. You have to take a further advanced powerboat exam with a trainer not instructor, aswell as the other relevant courses, vhf, ss, 1st aid etc.
As Jono states is alligned to Coastal Skipper so tinkering rather than material changes. More on weather, the search generally taught will be 'expanding box' (althougth this doesn't stop schools teaching sector etc too) - reason was sector search is considered too complex in an emergency for crews to cope with, also more on skippers responsibilities.

Commercial endorsement: From Jan 2005 then you will need to undertake a 6 hour exam to achieve commercial endorsement. Test will be administered by selected Trainers. This change reflects fact that CS & Advanced give same 'rights' commercially yet Advanced was 'easier' to get hence the danger being inexperienced boaters get the commercial endorsement


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ICC will change, a Level 2 will get you an icc for <10m and coastal skipper for >10m.
ICC divided into two 'types'. < 10m: obtained either via Level 2 or a test on a boat under 10m. <24m: obtained via the Motor Cruising Scheme course or via test on a boat over 10m. Sail ICC will now only give you power ICC < 10m

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Day Skipper - From next year if you are a Advanced PB Instructor and hold a YM ticket, you can go on a 2 day exam and then teach Day Skipper Theory

As an Advanced Instructor you need YM Theory then take the Shorebased Instructor course

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- New logbook early 2004
- Instructors resources pack 2004
- Resources on the web for Instructors

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Old 23 November 2003, 04:01   #15
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Good idea and long overdue, but its not exactly the catchiest of titles! Is this name whats finally been decided on as there are no details on the RYA site that I could find.
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Old 23 November 2003, 04:26   #16
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no details on rya site, changes are still to be confirmed. Name is not def' as yet.
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Old 23 November 2003, 04:39   #17
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Commercial endorsements

Thanks for that. I would have liked to have gone to the principals conference but it seems like the right choices have been made.

Here's another one thats been bothering me.
In the 'yellow book' MCA Code of Practice for the Safety of Small Motor Commercial Vessels, there is no mention of Powerboat tickets being valid for commercial work.

I have a commercial endorsement on my advanced ticket, but according to my understanding of the book its meaningless.

Having looked at the book again it does mention a boatmans licence. Do we fall in here?
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Old 23 November 2003, 12:46   #18
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You're right in that the Yellow Book makes no reference to Advanced. I checked with the RYA a few years ago and the Advanced equates to Coastal Skipper for the purposes of commercial endorsement, if my memory serves me the revised codes due out shortly specifically refer to the qualification as being acceptable. Anyway as stated above this is one of the key reasons for amendments to the Advanced course/achievement of endorsements.

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PS: Drop Jane an email - she will confirm if in doubt
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Old 23 November 2003, 12:54   #19
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Thanks Paul. It'll be good when its all down in black & white!
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Old 15 December 2003, 11:28   #20
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commercial endorsement?

What type of commercial endorsement and from where? What is the commercial called and what is it for and allow you to do?
What are the requirements and is it an ENG1 type medical required?
I am a bit confused about this!
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