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Old 20 September 2007, 16:59   #11
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Esso rules for refueling Boats on Trailers

The Esso Garage in Petersfield now has a notice on the till saying that specifically that refueling of boats on trailers is only allowable if it can be done whilst standing on the ground. The wording (which unfortunately I did not write down) seemed to claim that there is a significantly higher risk of static causing ignition if refueling is done with you aboard the the boat on the trailer. Just did a quick search and this thread seemed closest Does anyone know if the rules or guidelines have changed recently?

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Old 20 September 2007, 17:41   #12
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So do all pumps in Garages shut off at 100 litres then? Most I've put in a boat is 80. I'm having to fill up my 200 litre tank soon, that'll hack a few motorists off, specially if I fill the car at the same time
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Old 20 September 2007, 18:22   #13
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The Esso Garage in Petersfield now has a notice on the till saying that specifically that refueling of boats on trailers is only allowable if it can be done whilst standing on the ground. The wording (which unfortunately I did not write down) seemed to claim that there is a significantly higher risk of static causing ignition if refueling is done with you aboard the the boat on the trailer. Just did a quick search and this thread seemed closest Does anyone know if the rules or guidelines have changed recently?

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That is crap - the fuel hoses are conductive to get rid of static - a car sits on rubber tyres anyway so is just as insulated as the boat on the trailer!!!
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Old 21 September 2007, 02:25   #14
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That is crap - the fuel hoses are conductive to get rid of static - a car sits on rubber tyres anyway so is just as insulated as the boat on the trailer!!!
Granted, but since when have they let the facts got in the way of health and safety.

I have now perfected the stand by car filler cap pump in hand once they switch it on, open boot and fill away technique.
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Old 21 September 2007, 03:44   #15
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I recently tried to fill a single 22l tank after filling the car up, and I had not unscrewed the filler cap from the plastic tank before starting to fill the car. After shoving 50 quids worth in the car, and while still holding the nozzle in my hand, I bent down to unscrew and remove the 22l tank cap...maybe took 12 seconds tops, and the pump switched itself off in the meantime.
Forecourt was v busy and it took ages to get someone to turn the pump on again, fill the 22l tank, and as I had wanted, pay for it all together.
(Sainsburys in Bedford). They didn't have a problem with filling the container, they just said the pumps turn themselves off if not pumping fuel after fifteen seconds. Being ready to go at the start of the operation seems to be the way to go!
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Old 21 September 2007, 04:00   #16
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On a visit to our local sainsbury's i tried to fill up a 22 ltr can and was told i could only have 10 ltrs!, this was a little bit annoying to say the least so i took the ten ltrs, payed, drove off round the block, came back and put another 10 ltrs in the same tank, there was nothing they could do to stop me.
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Old 21 September 2007, 04:29   #17
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takes me back to the old round solent rib races that Alan Priddy use to organise... for those that remember it was the same time as shell had the promotion on for the scale cars at the till - remember the really big ones normally on top of the cigarette shelf...... Well, i pulled into the shell garage on the spur road out of portsmouth next to the commercial port pulled into the centre and took all 4 pumps and started pumping into all 4 tanks we had with the 8mtr - £300 later we were full..! - so i walk into pay and the young girl behind the counter makes some comment about taking all the pumps etc... swipes my credit card and gives me a receipt......uuuhhmmmmm i say... can i have my vouchers please.... she looks at me and says... are you being serious.... duhhhh yeah.... by which time an orderly queue is forming behind me and she is starting to get a bit flustered - "i havnt got time she says to count them out" so i said the amount of fuel i have just bought plus the vouchers i have in my wallet equal the "red ferrari" and the "ac cobra" on the top shelf please........walked out chuckling with 2 boxes under my arms... Those were the days.....
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Old 21 September 2007, 05:08   #18
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Plastic tanks

Taking the "only 10 L in a plastic tank" rule to it's logical conclusion, most new cars will only take 10L max fill!

So far I've never has a problem with the SR - I've filled both 30L tanks in the boat, in the boot and out the boot on the forecourt floor. So far no problems, but that may have been down to luck, and i;'ve always de- capped them before picking the pump nozzle off the cradle.....

Technically you could argue the toss that "it's not a petrol can it's a fuel tank"....
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Old 21 September 2007, 06:36   #19
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Static Electricity Risk

Hmmm....You know I fill my tank, in place in the boat once a week and never thought about static spark risk. However...I recall seeing information that was very credible on instances of containers being filled in pickup truck beds causing explosions. I think that fuel carriers have straps that are fastened to the frame and drag the ground to dissipate static charge. I also recall from my days as a volunteer firefighter that fire trucks also have this grounding system due to their proximity to fuel spills. That would tend to indicate that static charge can accumulate on a vehicle with tires and metal contact to "ground" is a good thing, not a bad thing.

I think I recall a special caution about an onboard tank resting on fuzzy or carpet material. When you fill your vehicle tank, the nozzle is in direct metal to metal contact with the vehicle. Not so when you fill a plastic tank onboard.

I'm going to do some research and see what the facts are. Filling my 13 gallon tanks on the ground and hoisting them into the boat is not a good option to say the least.
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Old 21 September 2007, 08:12   #20
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The "Facts" as I found them

There's a ton of different data on the subject but the most reliable sources indicate the following:

1. There are over 150 instances of static electricity igniting fuel while filling portable containers, in the vehicle, not on the ground.

2. Metal cans were involved in more incidents, but plastic has been involved
as well.

3. Risk can be reduced by doing the following;
a) Touching the nozzle to the container before opening the fill cap.
b) Reducing fuel flow at the start of the fueling process.

4. In spite of these steps, actual fuel flow can create it's own charge so
it is recommended that the nozzle be kept in contact with the tank at
all times during a fueling.

Personally, I'm going to observe 3 & 4 more carefully than I have in the past and continue to fill my portables, in the boat.
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