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Old 03 March 2003, 07:00   #11
Country: Greece
Town: Gloucetsreshire
Boat name: GATO DI MARE
Make: MAR.CO
Length: 9m +
Engine: Yamaha 200Vmax
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Weelcome to RIBNet

Your question will produce many different answers.
I have a test on an APEX and a ZODIAC Medline and when I dig it out will email a copy to you.
The APEX boats (apparently) are hot in the US due to their very low price. They are built in SAmerica (if I remember correctly-hence low labour costs) and they are supplied with full kit including bimini, trailer and 4-strokes engine.
APEX seems to perform OK in test and comments are good about storage space onboard etc. But when did you find a test in a magazine that does not make the boat that they test the best of the best and even better than the previous boat they tested.
I think you need to go on board a boat you want to buy and test it your self.
Regarding the water spray, On a RIB is a fact that one way or the other you will get wet (even if this means a small splash) so they are all the same or similar on this aspect whatever people say (probably I dug a hole for my self here LOL ).
ZODIACs are good boats, have great packages (engine/trailer/boat) because people feel apprehensive of their tube material (PVC instead of Hypalon) and from what I am told ZODIAC has not sold many boats in Europe this year.
However, spoken to manufacturers and have got some tests for both tube materials both perform great and they have no differences in durability (both last for 10 years).
Engines, I am a 2-stroke man my self (they have been around for longer time than 4-strokes) and I would say 90 bhp will be OK with a lower pitch prop so you get the acceleration for the skiers (I also water ski and I am 14 stone).

Re Cat B (offshore any weather) and emissions I think that although you can have it in mind, for the purpose you need to use the boat just forget it. It may come into force sometime never.
There are many people who cruise out here with Cat C boats and 2-strokes engines. Just to clarify Cat C means that the boat can cruise in inland waters (what is considered 'inland waters' is a matter of each authority to determine - in Greece is everywhere in the Aegean and Ionian Seas and in the UK covers even the Channel ) with waves of 2 mrs or less. So what do you do when you start with nice weather which deteriorates further on to a force 6 or 7?? No one has answered that one yet!! .

Any way good luck with the purchase of a RIB!! Which I may add you will enjoy better in a warmer climate.

PS A friendly advise, NEVER BUY A SECOND HAND RIB unless you are absolutely desperate

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Old 03 March 2003, 10:37   #12
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Re: Weelcome to RIBNet

Originally posted by Manos
PS A friendly advise, NEVER BUY A SECOND HAND RIB unless you are absolutely desperate
Why so adamant about not buying secondhand Manos?

Many people buy the first (& second, third etc) RIBS second hand. Like any large purchase a degree of research is to be recommended so you know what you are looking for/at. Taking a knowledgable friend or aquaintance with you is also to be recommended if you don't feel confident in your own abilities. RIb.NET surely is a help here.

I bought new first time and ultimately got a dog. Second hand and I have a great RIB at a good price.

Not a case of "why buy second hand when you could buy a new RIB from oh, say S Africa at the same price!" surely?

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Old 03 March 2003, 11:37   #13
Country: Greece
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Alan, Why not to by 2nd hand ?

The reason is (and I am not generalising here) that most of the time you get a boat that has been used and abused.
Engine not serviced properly, pontoons just made good just to show etc etc. and why risk it if you can afford to buy a new one.
I think if you buy 2nd hand you should buy it from a friend where you know his boat, you know what he has done with it and how he has used it over time. If not is better to stay away.
That is only a very personal opinion.

And I agree there are people out there (certainly many in RIBNet) that look after their boats and if you buy a boat of them it will be a good boat.

...and (finally) by the way no one said anything about SAfrica or Uganda SAmerica is the place now!!!
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Old 03 March 2003, 13:08   #14
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Im also not so sure that buying a second hand boat is a lottery, but then I have kicked around on a few and over the years given some of them some wear and tear (normaly accidentally of course, but you do a leeshore rescue between rocks then things happen!)

With experiance you can say its this or that, but even an untrained eye can spot cracks, waves in the finish and soggy floors. That said, I couldn't tell if the boat had hit a wave at 30knts and suffered internal damage!

Without droning on about what to look for, secondhand is much more cost effective with all the toys anchor & rope etc (you hope) and most newish (5 years) boats will have been looked after, it will show in their presentation also. If its sold here, you still need to look out. Buyer Beware!

As before, simple choices are Ribcraft, Tornado, Avon, Ribtec, Ribeye, which are all very solid performing boats that can see out a F5 no problem.

I am not a fan of Humber (but I know many are) as the gelcoat on some of the boats I have used has been very thin, but they do have well designed hulls.
Answer is, dont scratch it!!!

I still believe 4 stroke is the way to go normally, despite the extra weight, but in your case I would find a good hull to suit your needs and a powerfull engine be it 2 or 4 stroke. The new 4 stroke Mariners have a great deal of torque so dont write them off.

As for size i think that with 4 in the boat you need at least 75 and pref 90+ hp and the correct prop!

If you but new, look at the soecs and try to get the highest power for the block to improve the power to weight ratio.

Again as said before, Yam, Mariner/Merc, Honda are best.

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Old 03 March 2003, 13:35   #15
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I would disagree with Manos to the extent that I would say the opposite: Don't buy a new RIB first time round.

Until you have owned and used a RIB for a while, you propbably won't discover what is that that you need or want. Most people seem to change their first RIB within one or two seasons.

Buying a second hand RIB is no different to buying anything else second hand. You will certainly not suffer the depreciation that you would if you bought new.

You will probably find that you can run a second hand RIB for a season or so and if you look after it you'll find you get almost all of your inital purchase price back when you sell it.

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Old 03 March 2003, 15:26   #16
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Definitely go secondhand, all my three boats have been preowned and I have had two excellent purchases and one that was OK. Make sure when you go to buy it you take somebody that knows what to look for. There are a couple of other threads about this very subject initiated by the following people. Spud, Flanker and Cliveg Try reading through them
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Old 04 March 2003, 10:21   #17
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Can I say this?

Try my Extreme 5.5 price is very negotiable as people tell me its too expensive!! Never make a salesman would I!!
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Old 06 March 2003, 05:16   #18
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Deffently by a second hand.

If you can, buy one from other members of this forum, they are nice people who looks after the boats.

I bougt a second hand RIB (Osprey Viper) from Pete7, and I had never had a Rib before. He helped me alot and he sold me a very nice Rib. I's a few years back, and I still use the boat.

Take a look at the boat he's selling now. He won't let you down on a boat deal.


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