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Old 17 March 2005, 10:07   #111
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What I find most puzzling is that only a few months ago Leeway was on Boatmad looking for a Phantom 18 with which to make a rib, and in what can only be described as an amazingly short time (boatbuilder hours don't forget), he's not only managed to design a rib, he's also built a plug, a mould, a hull, and then had it tubed. What is even more amazing is that he's also had it CE approved including bouyancy and stability tests, and even written an owners manual.

Rather than criticising the guy, I think someone should employ him!

Hey Leeway, your not Greek are you?
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Old 17 March 2005, 11:08   #112
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can somebody in the know please tell me the outlines as to what a splasher is?

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if someone takes a raffshore, Chaudron, phantom, cut and shut with another make of boat, changes its size, makes improvements, completely changes all internal structural design, flange, transom, deck and make it into a rib. is this not now a new design?

PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER QUESTION IF YOU DON'T KNOW!!!!!!!!! I WANT FACTS NOT FICTION....

also a company in America took a hull put a new top on it.a law court said that is fine as it is a new design now?? anybody know about this??

AGAIN.....IDIOTs NEED NOT APPLY. ONLY FACTS NO FICTION.....
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Obviously, the whole splashing thing annoys me, but I'm also a realist, and am fully aware it goes on every day.

a quick look At this thread shows it's also happening just a few yards from the gates of Phantom boats in kent.

The only reason my attention was drawn to this particular case, was that Leeway made a huge point of him being 'the designer', despite posting requests for a 'cheap doner 20ish foot phantom', a few months earlier.

JK is right, it's all gotten fkkn silly now.

On boatmad, we're compiling a list of boats and their designers, quite intersting, and although Leeway was the catalist that started the compilation, it's gonna be pretty informative, splashers aside!

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can somebody in the know please tell me the outlines as to what a splasher is?
As far as I know there isn't a formal definition as the term hasn't made it into the Oxford English Dictionary (although if we carry on like this, that might change!)

Some would say that splashing only refers to making a direct copy of an existing boat, but I think it's a broader term than that.

How about this for a definition: "using a an existing hull, or part of an existing hull, to produce the mould for a boat without permission from the owner of the design rights"

Perhaps we could come up with an agreed definition between us all (although I suspectthat might be a bit optimistic given the tone of previous posts!)

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if someone takes a raffshore, Chaudron, phantom, cut and shut with another make of boat, changes its size, makes improvements, completely changes all internal structural design, flange, transom, deck and make it into a rib. is this not now a new design?
If a car repair shop took the front of a Mondeo and stuck the back of a Vectra on to it they might call it a "new" design. It might even be unique. It probably wouldn't look much different, and for all I know, it might even be an improvement. To claim it as a completely new design, and their own original work would not be an honest claim though
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What you're going to get is people's opinions.

You are clearly convinced that the way that you have created this RIB is valid, even if you've taken some short cuts by using an existing hull (or hulls) as a shortcut. I think that's what you're saying anyway.

Others disagree, and in their view it's not a new design because it directly incorporates other people's work without their permission.

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If a car repair shop took the front of a Mondeo and stuck the back of a Vectra on to it they might call it a "new" design. It might even be unique. It probably wouldn't look much different, and for all I know, it might even be an improvement. To claim it as a completely new design, and their own original work would would not be an honest claim though What you're going to get is people's opinions.



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have you contradicted yourself?? you say it might be called a new design then you say it cant be called a completely new design??
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If there isnt a set definition for a 'splash' then i think from what hes described hes done to it he should be allowed to get away with it altho maybe he should hav explained a little better what he meant by 'own design' rather than letting evryone think he was trying to say hed designed evry bit from scratch!
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If there isnt a set definition for a 'splash' then i think from what hes described hes done to it he should be allowed to get away with it altho maybe he should hav explained a little better what he meant by 'own design' rather than letting evryone think he was trying to say hed designed evry bit from scratch!


sorry to all that thought i said,

i design every bit from scratch (did i say this??)
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Leeway, perhaps you could clarify just how your hull came into being. What aspects are taken from existing hull(s) and what aspects have you changed/designed yourself?
Edit: And did you build your own plug?

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sorry to all that thought i said,

i design every bit from scratch (did i say this??)


This might have given people that impression....

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I wanted to combined a lot of my own thoughts and ideas. so here I am just waiting for my personally designed and built rib
If you had said "I want to combine a lot of other peoples' thoughts and ideas," or even "...I wanted to combine mine and other peoples' thoughts and ideas".. we wouldn't have all got so confused..

But what I'm really interested in, from my point of view, is quite how you managed to get the CE sorted so damned quickly. In the thread quoted above you said...

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the tubes will be tapered for a sleek modern look. im going for a 115 evinrude. she will be ce tested to a cat C.

my intensions are to build a perfect rib for myself but I will have the mould's just in case people are interested in the future (who knows)..


to This...

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she is ce approved to a category C. all regulations have been followed. she 100% conforms to BS EN ISO 6185 part 3. and I have owners manual hin number (registered with bmf) builders plates. she has been fully assessed for stability and buoyancy. i have all papper work up together. even the decloration of conformaty.
... in 16 days... From an unfinished prototype to CE plated boat in 16 days... Is that possible? Have I missunderstood this as well... I do that , you know... it's all these years of self abuse....
Do different areas have different time frames? Feckin' Hell I wish I could get things done that fast... different industry..same bureaucratic bullshit... can I say bullshit Mr K? ... but a bloody miracle to get turned around in that time...
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come on leeway, put us out of our misery and show us the plug!
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