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Old 21 August 2006, 07:35   #21
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why would anyone buy a deisel rib !!!

have you actualy done the maths , build cost, service cost , and so on
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Old 21 August 2006, 08:01   #22
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why would anyone buy a deisel rib !!!

have you actualy done the maths , build cost, service cost , and so on
Hell yes, fuel costs, reliability, better seakeeping, most importantly resale value
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Old 21 August 2006, 08:20   #23
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No to fuel cost in the short term ownership 5 years , 30% more build cost , 30% more service cost and thatís before the leg goes pop ,

FAR WORSE DEPRESIATION

ask a simple question , why are there so few diesel ribs made , it takes running about 200hrs per year over 15 years service to make up the difference just buy with a open mind

Not that it only uses £30 per day to run it and £6000 every time it goes wrong
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Old 21 August 2006, 08:44   #24
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I donít remember Jonny saying any of this when he tried to sell me one a few years ago Des
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Then in that case the argument is surely why does anyone buy a new diesel rib?
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The world moves on, diesel ribs are slow sellers, very slow sellers

And as outboards are so cheap now compared with a reasonable diesel engine it makes sense, to go outboard

Why donít you have a look in search for leg failiars?

and by open budget scorpion i would think were in the £70+ thousand mark
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Out of interest how many petrol vs diesel boats do you think Redbay, Delta, Scorpion, Revenger build?
Re leg failures yep your right hundereds of Yanmar ones!!! strange that there are not many Volvo or Yamaha ones.......one bad apple and all that

I would agree that diesel ribs are harder to sell due to the increase in reslae values, but depreciation, as a percentage, not nearly as much over 10 years as an outboard
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the only one out of this lot is red bay which has a small following of cursers were petrol is hard to come by in that area I think you would agree with this
Small is less than 100 unites per year

Delta well commercial not valid

Revenger and scorpion lots more outboards than diesels and thatís a fact
Rib craft, tornado, anyone else you want to try thatís not commercial


so your question on Volvo well the last one I had fly buy wire cut out right after I went over the red funnel wake ,
And would not restart,
What warranty are inboards now coming with?

And the bills on the Yamaha diesels for repair well good luck

Itís quite simple take all the feelings out of it and get a calculator
And work it out for yourself, and see what you come up with

Include in the figure the £20k you left in the bank @ 6% because you went out boards
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I think that must depend on your target market, and how you are marketting them. One obvious issue is that most people interested in diesel ribs are probably considering new rather than 2nd hand - simply because they fuel savings come through heavy usage and that means more likely to be commercial.

Having said that anyone who was looking to do serious scottish cruising would probably prefer a diesel rib - as diesel is more readily available on the water side.

Do you think that its just because they are diesel, that you struggle to sell them though? or is it the higher hours most have have on them? the general "industrial" style of most diesel ribs? the higher cost when joe public walks in to buy "a rib"?
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and by open budget scorpion i would think were in the £70+ thousand mark
I must be getting my maths wrong as I calculate payback on this in ~4 years rather than 15 with 200 hrs per annum, even including a leg failure.

If I could afford a decent sized rib then I would be considering diesel. But then I'm not an all out speed freek and prefer industrial looking boats, etc. The main downside I can see is not cost or dodgy legs etc - but the loss of internal space in the boat.
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Agreed petrol is more harder to get, but it is getting better. Volvo electronics lets not go there, but their legs are second to none.
Look at the number fitted, Sunseeker/Fairline/Sealine etc etc etc compaired to the number of failures.

It all depends on what you want the boat to do, how long you want to keep it and how many hours a year you want to use it, and for me it has got to be diesel. Slow and sluggish, not some of the ones I have been on. We have far more Diesel Revengers and Scorpions up hear than outboards, hence my question.

Repair bills, in over 18.5k hours running a Daewoo in a trawler only bills are for servicing (£250 every 300hrs) and a top end inspection (£500 at 18k hours).
Overall hours on ribs with Twin Yamaha diesel, about 3300h combined, servicing about £150 every 100h, 1 drive ring and overhaul (£700) Impellors £70, all work done myself.
What is the reatil price nowadays for say a 250hp four stroke?

Deck space is defenatly an issue with inboards though, especially if they are <7m, however it's not really an issue on the larger boats.

What slow, sluggish diesel boat are you stuck with? I have never had a diesel for sale for long, so long as its priced correctly .
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