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Old 14 June 2007, 06:45   #31
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The problem is, that if you bring in compulsory training, what about those of us - who have learnt how to sail with dad and have no official qualifications. I've just taken my PB2, but that doesn't give me the experience only the qualification. In my sailing world, there are many twats who have all the qualifications and yet couldn't sail for toffee.

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Same as on the road perhaps Dad can teach you but only a mandatry test gives you the ticket ?
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Old 14 June 2007, 06:46   #32
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I agree, I am generalising to make a point. Idiots on the road generally drive stupidly because they choose to. I don't believe that the majority of boat users act in a dangerous manner out of choice.As an example, If it were explained to matey that his girlfriend could get bounced out of the bow of his bowrider when crossing wake, and that his bestfriend in the world could then kill her by running over her. I reckon he'd have her safely in a seat beside him.
You can't buy experience, but you can pay to learn from someone that has it. Swimming off of bathing platforms with the engines running is another example. If it had been explained to Mr. Gin Palace that he could potentially chop his kids up, then he wouldn't do it. It happens.
Sad isn't it. We just have to realise that there really are a load of very silly people out there who don't appear to be able to see 'potential dangers'. The government then have to legislate which impeeds on everybody - great!
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Old 14 June 2007, 06:47   #33
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Same as on the road perhaps Dad can teach you but only a mandatry test gives you the ticket ?
Yeah - perhaps you are right. I just don't think we can rely on qualifications to make people more responsible. Some people are just daft and do daft things!!
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Old 14 June 2007, 06:49   #34
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The problem is, that if you bring in compulsory training, what about those of us - who have learnt how to sail with dad and have no official qualifications. I've just taken my PB2, but that doesn't give me the experience only the qualification. In my sailing world, there are many twats who have all the qualifications and yet couldn't sail for toffee.
Couldn't agree more. I was shocked just how basic the PB2 was - really didn't teach me anything. And yet someone with such a certificate would be deemed more competant than someone with 20 years experience - bonkers!!!

No doubt howls of protest but then again when you have a vested interest it's not suprising............

it's the same in the computer world - we come across people all the time with a massive list of qualifications - but they just don't have a clue - one Microsoft Certified Professional didn't even know how to create a new folder. An MCSE didn't know what to do with a RAR file!!!
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Old 14 June 2007, 06:52   #35
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it's the same in the computer world - we come across people all the time with a massive list of qualifications - but they just don't have a clue - one Microsoft Certified Professional didn't even know how to create a new folder. An MCSE didn't know what to do with a RAR file!!!
Surely you go 'RARRRRRRRRRR' - sorry couldn't resist it.
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Old 14 June 2007, 06:57   #36
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Couldn't agree more. I was shocked just how basic the PB2 was - really didn't teach me anything. And yet someone with such a certificate would be deemed more competant than someone with 20 years experience - bonkers!!!

No doubt howls of protest but then again when you have a vested interest it's not suprising............

it's the same in the computer world - we come across people all the time with a massive list of qualifications - but they just don't have a clue - one Microsoft Certified Professional didn't even know how to create a new folder. An MCSE didn't know what to do with a RAR file!!!
Then the level of information taught would need to be cranked up as in the road driving test. What else can be done? Only allow people on the water who's father owned a boat?
Chasing some guy that had a couple of beers and a glass of wine at a beach bbq isn't gonna make a jot of difference.
The guy that cut the corner down here would probably have done the same sober.
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Old 14 June 2007, 07:12   #38
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This is the week that a guy was acquitted here on a manslaughter rap for running another boat over. He'd been drinking as had the guys in the dory that he ran over. He'd been warned about his speed twice that day for exceeding the 8 knot limit, rather than following the central channel out of the estuary he cut the blind corner and hugged the coast. He didn't have his nav lights on!!. This guy was a twat, the only thing that kept him out of jail was the fact that the other guys had also been drinking.
There's a lot of money sloshing around these days, rather than learning on Dad's boat, having dinghys etc and moving up as one could afford it to bigger and better boats, people can fancy the idea, buy what ever they like and off they go with little if any training and no experience. Even a 1m gin palace.
We have 1 or two deaths or serious injuries around this area a year. Most can be attributed to owners/operators not having a clue. We can all tootal along on a nice sunny day no problem, but when the fog descends or the wind starts to howl it's a bit different.
So, rather than concentrating on drink (the easy option) why don't the government bring in compulsory training.

You see it all the time, young car salesmen , plastic window sellers, web designers and alike, turning up with 30K cruisers or bowriders, girls draped all over the boats. They blast around all over the Bay, not a clue. Next thing you read is that one of the girls was bounced out of the bowrider, run over by following boat, dead!
I know the guy concerned and believe me he lives with the results of his actions every day of his life,but he is not a twat.

I'm not defending what he did, especially as he earns his living from the sea, but sometimes we all do BL00DY stupid things that we regret later.

I have no qualifications to drive my boat but recon I am better than most of the idiots who come down this way and am very careful. I can only afford second hand boat and reconditioned engine but it probably has more value to me than someone who has spent 50k plus and so take care of her and drive with consideration to other sea users.

The problem I have with this proposed law is there is 1 (yes ONE) pub on this island and most of the others so if you want a change of scene you have the choice of 60 in hiring charter boats, stay over night in a hotel/B&B or be careful and take your own.

Doesn't leave you many choices does it?
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I know the guy concerned and believe me he lives with the results of his actions every day of his life,but he is not a twat.

I'm not defending what he did, especially as he earns his living from the sea, but sometimes we all do BL00DY stupid things that we regret later.

I have no qualifications to drive my boat but recon I am better than most of the idiots who come down this way and am very careful. I can only afford second hand boat and reconditioned engine but it probably has more value to me than someone who has spent 50k plus and so take care of her and drive with consideration to other sea users.

The problem I have with this proposed law is there is 1 (yes ONE) pub on this island and most of the others so if you want a change of scene you have the choice of 60 in hiring charter boats, stay over night in a hotel/B&B or be careful and take your own.

Doesn't leave you many choices does it?
I'm sure he 'lives' with what he's done and if he's a professional boatman, that in many ways makes what he did worse, He didn't just do a 'bloody stupid thing' he spent the day being a twat. Twice he was spoken to by St. Mawes Harbour Master. He'd been drinking all day and helming the boat like an idiot all day. The family of Ben Chocrane have a fair bit to live with aswell.
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Accidents will happen and thats part of life unfortunately, stupid new laws will not stop them happening, since when did this country's stupid laws make our streets any safer? or anything any better, no far from it is the answer i'm afraid. We need positive people with common sense to bring in laws that will actually make a difference for the better and not the blind negative minded kill joys that dictate to us all at the momment
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