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Old 17 October 2015, 11:22   #11
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+1 The current first aid manual, feb2014 states this. I've never understood the point of compressions without breaths, IMHO it was a dumbing down exercise.
I think the general premise was that passers by helping in a first aid situation were more likely to get involved if they thought they didn't have to do mouth-to-mouth. That said disposable mouth shields are pennies and mean a much more pleasant experience for both parties.
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. That said disposable mouth shields are pennies and mean a much more pleasant experience for both parties.
The recipient really doesn't care!
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I've been doing the FAW course since I started work at 16, so 35+ years. In a previous life I used to compete in national First Aid competitions . I've seen a gradual decline in the standard & quality of the training over the years. Not least since it used to be a 5 day course, now it's down to 3. The general approach seems to be, as long as you're doing something, it's ok. The focus now seems to be on fulfilling employers obligations to provide the required number of first aiders, rather than quality. Actually saving lives seems to be a bonus.
All IMHO of course.
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Actually saving lives seems to be a bonus.
All IMHO of course.
Someone on here once said that there was no shortage of spare people...

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New CPR guidelines for drowning victims - get those breaths in!

Busted😄
But why go through the pretence, it's become yet another box ticking exercise.


.....sh1t happens.......
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Apparently they do...!!!



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Apparently they do...!!!



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Busted😄
But why go through the pretence, it's become yet another box ticking exercise.


.....sh1t happens.......
The course and requirements are crazy. No child CPR, choking etc. You could be a restaurant and no need to cover it.

Required to have right ratio of staff, but not necessarily on that shift.

No risk relationship to the job. Yes anyone can have a heart attack. Risk of a compound open fracture in your average call centre must be fairly low and response time fairly fast. Risk on a quarry in the highlands will be +++ higher. But probably very little need for kids stuff.

Only people required to have kids first aid are people who look after kids.

Work in a hospital. Our department is required to have someone certified to the 3 day level for staff numbers even though we can have an entire resus team there in about 90seconds. Our risk level is relatively low.

If you are trained the guidelines state 30:2. If you are not trained (a) its easier to encourage people to try without face shield etc (b) if a telephone operator is talking through it its much easier to talk through compressions than both. Pinch nose ... Where (not like a nose bleed). Tilt head back. Lift jaw. Seal. Breath. Repeat. Do all that in 10seconds.

Or compress the chest and it will get some air in it.
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Apparently they do...!!!

http://youtu.be/QPsn17_a8-g
That's gotta be a joke. If its not I hope it goes all the way to court and the judge rips her to little pieces.

Under UK law, if you are acting in an emergency, doing what is likely to be what someone would have wanted if they were able to consent but are not able to no consent is needed. #SueMe!
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