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Old 08 September 2011, 05:41   #11
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My 4.5 Valiant has no A frame and I don't have room to put on on, can I put a light on a pole attached to the transom and would anyone now where I could get one from
All things are possible.

Can you post a photo of your layout? Do you have a height restriction (store in a garage etc)?

Edit: Also, do you have a fixed VHF already fitted?
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Old 08 September 2011, 08:20   #12
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So yes, the white should be on a pole and the colored on the sides of the console or mounted on a bracket on the bow. See rule #23

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On a A frame, sidelights are in most cases on the same line whit the white light, although the white is one metre higher if correctly installed. Never heard anyone complain about that.

So wondering would it be ok to have a long pole, white on top and a "bi" red green light one meter below? would not make much different to a proper A frame setup ?
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Old 08 September 2011, 08:25   #13
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So wondering would it be ok to have a long pole, white on top and a "bi" red green light one meter below? would not make much different to a proper A frame setup ?
Or if an antenna is required a pole with red and green half way up, then two >180 degree whites and then the antenna mount.

Would using square stainless be unsightly? I think round looks better myself.
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Have you considered fitting nav lights to a hard hat? A chin strap may be required for higher speeds.
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On a power boat the red and green sidelights are supposed to be in front of and 1m below the all-around white light. (assuming you are <12m in length overall)
Don't recall the spec saying the sidelights need to be in front of the white. White should be 1 meter higher though.

I do recall wording to the effect that on a small boat, placement to spec may be difficult or impossible, so an approximation is acceptable (meaning "whatever works", I suppose.)

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(iii) the masthead light or all-round white light on a power driven vessel of less than 12 meters in length may be displaced from the fore and aft centreline of the vessel if centreline fitting is not practicable, provided the sidelights are combined in one lantern which shall be carried on the fore and aft centreline of the vessel or located as nearly as practicable in the same fore and aft line as the masthead light or all-round white light.
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Have you had a look in the S.i.b forums ,
some good ideas in the past and NORTHERNPIKE has recentley posted his latest ideas in the FUTURA RUNNING LIGHTS thread.
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Don't recall the spec saying the sidelights need to be in front of the white. White should be 1 meter higher though.

I do recall wording to the effect that on a small boat, placement to spec may be difficult or impossible, so an approximation is acceptable (meaning "whatever works", I suppose.)

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Sidelights are "supposed" to be in front of the masthead light (Rule 23a). When the masthead is replaced with an all-around light on a small boat this is still applicable but you're right - frequently they are not on an A-frame.

But the OP doesn't have an A frame anyway. He needs a pole in the back and either a bicolor light on the bow or individual sidelights on a console.

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Or if an antenna is required a pole with red and green half way up, then two >180 degree whites and then the antenna mount.
This might legally work, but personally I think it would be seriously ugly. Not to mention the driver's head/body is going to block the sidelights.
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I've found a pole I can clamp to the transom and will put a bi light on the nose as my console is small and worry lights there may get obscured.

I've come over from raggies but did read my day skipper manual before posting, there are many different rules for different boats and it does get confusing. I'll never be going very fast in the dark anyway as will be too scared of hitting lobster pots!!
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Sidelights are "supposed" to be in front of the masthead light (Rule 23a). When the masthead is replaced with an all-around light on a small boat this is still applicable but you're right - frequently they are not on an A-frame.
Don't see where is says that in 23a.

In fact you could even read 23a(i) and (iii) to mean that the sidelights could be behind the masthead light.

Certainly 23c(i), which Scott has quoted above, says "in lieu of" which to my mind means if you are applying 23c(i) ignore 23a. Otherwise the the all round white should be forward - not on the a frame at all....
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