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Old 25 July 2013, 16:20   #11
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Fact - RNLI Lifeboats aim to reach at least 90% of all casualties within 10 nautical miles of the coast within 30 minutes of launch in all weathers and in most cases a launch happens in a matter of minutes after the pagers go off.

In this heart breaking loss of a magnificient sail training vessel - 4 RNLI Lifeboat were launched - more and a video:

RNLI lifeboats launch to sinking tall ship with 30 people on board off Kinsale

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Which then makes you wonder why the helo is government funded and the LB is not!
The simple answer to that is that RNLI are in complete control of their destiny -not a pen pushing, bean counting, idiot in Whitehall
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The simple answer to that is that RNLI are in complete control of their destiny -not a pen pushing, bean counting, idiot in Whitehall
lol

There's a story does the rounds here, maybe urban myth: Once upon a recent time, the Irish DOT decided to sharpen up the rules for coded craft. And thought that it would be funny to include all rescue craft. So the Rules got Writ and lo, RNLI craft were going to need a "major rethink" as they "didn't comply"

Much debate ensued. The RNLI wanted an exemption, the DOT rather thought not.

Finally, it came to a meeting in Dublin between the RNLI top dog and the Minister. Minister says, well, my Department have these Rules and ultimately, you'll have to comply, even if it means rebuilding your boats.

RNLI dude says, see all those 3,000,000 offshore boats, all those 250,000 inshore boats? One text from me and they're moored in Poole the day after tomorrow. Your turn...

RNLI got an exemption
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Old 25 July 2013, 17:01   #13
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lol

There's a story does the rounds here, maybe urban myth: Once upon a recent time, the Irish DOT decided to sharpen up the rules for coded craft. And thought that it would be funny to include all rescue craft. So the Rules got Writ and lo, RNLI craft were going to need a "major rethink" as they "didn't comply"

Much debate ensued. The RNLI wanted an exemption, the DOT rather thought not.

Finally, it came to a meeting in Dublin between the RNLI top dog and the Minister. Minister says, well, my Department have these Rules and ultimately, you'll have to comply, even if it means rebuilding your boats.

RNLI dude says, see all those 3,000,000 offshore boats, all those 250,000 inshore boats? One text from me and they're moored in Poole the day after tomorrow. Your turn...

RNLI got an exemption
Oooooophs how very remiss of me - especially as I have a foot in each country - my reply should have read

The simple answer to that is that RNLI are in complete control of their destiny -not a pen pushing, bean counting, idiot in Whitehall or Leinster House



PS good luck if you can find a button to press on the 950 - what a plotter OMG
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My point wasn't meant to be that the two were competing but perhaps that if you didn't spot stories like this one, and were making a decision where you invested your resources you'd probably think the helo was more likely to save a life and a LB more likely to save the boat. But if there had been no LB there they'd have been at far greater risk of going for a swim while the helo winched them off.
Some of the people boarded life rafts and there was a RIB and various other sail training boats "on scene" before it even actually hit the rocks. In reality although it is billed as a "miracle" that everyone survived, actually my understanding is sail training boats are actually very disciplined at emergency drills, everyone would have had life jackets to hand etc too. And the circumstances were she was just coming out of harbour so help was relatively close to hand rather than mid ocean. Fortunate perhaps but miraculous no.
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Poly - agreed hardly not miraculous - however early pics/footage shows her beam on with a large send up & down the side - it would have been easy for someone to be injured in transfers. Luckily, she then swung to a more bows-on position, lessening the relative movement of sea vs. boat.

The other vessels on scene were unable to give assistance, and those in the liferaft were put there by the Kinsale lifeboat crew, one of whom boarded to assist the evacuation.
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@Wilk - the story is not quite correct, but not far from the truth, and the punchline is spot on! .... heard it first hand from a recently retired gentleman
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Evening Echo — Astrid Plundered

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Full report

The full report is out. It is worth a read - particularly by commercial operators. There were a great many issues: Underqualified master and crew, poor safety briefing, unserviced rafts, water in the fuel, no attempt to anchor, no proper VHF operation, etc, etc.

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