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Old 20 January 2003, 04:31   #101
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And as a matter of fact I like yellow goes quite well with blue

Manos I love Yellow

See the boat

Will your dry suit be on view at the meet in May ?

With kids that grow quickly a dry suit at that price is much more feasable option than the cost of a the likes of Ravenspring.

Before anybody starts in I have nothing against the Ravenspring, in fact I bought one because they made to measure. This is important to me when you have a bit of a beer belly.
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Old 20 January 2003, 04:49   #102
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With kids that grow quickly a dry suit at that price is much more feasable option than the cost of a the likes of Ravenspring.
Same here!! yes will be there in force all showing our SAfrican 50 quid jobs made to measure dry suits in assorted colours.

My daughter likes pink
Now beat that one everybody!! LOLOL
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If the company will excuse me pontificating for a bit........

My business these days is all about controlling outsourced manufacture of products in low labour cost countries. It is an inescapable fact that for any product with significant labour content (be it a drysuit, boat, electronic gadget, etc etc) that it is invariably cheaper to manufacture abroad than in this country. Thats not to say it will be a superior or inferior product - thats all about quality systems, quality of raw materials etc etc. So without a doubt if labour costs in South Africa are lower than in UK which I imagine they are then a drysuit manufactured there should be cheaper.

Charles/Manos - Do you have any idea of labour costs per hour for skilled and unskilled workers in South Africa?

Ref the drysuit. The question is what is the material content? The material itself is clearly a significant part of this but also the Zip (or Zips if you have the comfort zip - highly recommended!) I understand is also a very expensive part. Clearly the zip is critical cos if this fails you're gonna get wet! Now I suspect that Ravenspring for example have a material cost that is in excess of the price of the South African manufactured drysuit at 60 or so.

The second issue is what is the material quality like? Ravenspring material is hardwearing (my original suit is going strong after 4 years - I bought a new one cos I had outgrown it ). According to them it is specially developed to be breathable, lightweight etc etc. Now we have no knowledge of the SA produced drysuit so cannot compare material or zip quality.

Having visited Ravenspring on a couple of occasions, their production is very manual with a small group of people constructing the suits. Whilst I am sure that labour costs in sunny Totness are not excessive for this country, I am sure that they are significantly higher than in S Africa.

You'll be pleased dear reader that I am now coming to my point! I don't believe that Ravenspring are making an obscene amount of profit on their product. Certainly it is costing them more than the price of the SA produced suit to produce. I don't believe they are giving them away either - they have established the price the market will bear that gives them a return they are happy with. If the market changes - say through availability of drysuits of a similar quality produced elsewhere, then they will have the choice of trying to reduce their costs in Totness or consider moving production to a lower cost country. As a happy customer of Ravenspring this would be a sad turn of events as at present I am able to send my drysuit back to them for repairs, alterations and servicing at minimal cost. I couldn't do that with the SA produced one! Mind you if they are any good I could buy several for the price of my Ravenspring which would cover that issue!

At the end of the day you pays your money and takes your choice as a consumer. Ravenspring drysuits are great product but they are expensive. If you don't want to pay the money then Manos may have discovered a viable alternative. I look forward to seeing it at Plymouth. If its a good thing then I think I might go into business importing them myself!!

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Old 20 January 2003, 05:33   #104
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If its a good thing then I think I might go into business importing them myself!!
Sorry Alan too late.
Already under negotiation for exclussive distribution in EUROPE
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Better get one now before Manos puts on his whack.

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Old 20 January 2003, 06:12   #106
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You're right Alan, zips for drysuits are not cheap. I've seen grown men cry when they've knackered the zips on their suits after a dive. The latex seals aren't cheap either.

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Old 20 January 2003, 11:58   #108
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Manos

Do they do them in orange?

If so, can you get a me a phone or fax number ....I do a lot of yacht racing in the summer and a cheap drysuit would be very useful.

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Old 20 January 2003, 12:16   #109
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Hi Jon

They do them in many colours (even Barby pink my daughter has requested). They are all made to measure and yes they do them definately in Orange and with colour blending (customised) etc. They also have in side (2xdry) and out side (1xwet) pockets.
Currently I'm out of the UK on bizs and the photo was emailed to me by my wife. I will be back in the UK mid next week and since I had a lot of people asking about those I'll post their fax and tel details on the forum (I don't have them with me and although I have asked my wife to find it and she couldn't).
Unfortunately they do not have an email address (as far as I know) and the payment should be done by direct bank transfer to their account.
Hope you can wait just for a few more days and you will have the full details.

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PS Hope you re-order once I get the exclussive distribution for Europe!! LOLOL
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Old 20 January 2003, 15:41   #110
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You sound like you have been around boats for many years

I would therefore trust your judgement as to quality of suit

If you say it looks and feels a decent quality then thats good enough for me

How do I get hold of one !! It sounds a bargain to me. I would also buy one for my son

Cheapest suit I can find in UK other than individual one off bargains is a breathable typhoon at 200 gbp or a crewsaver hyperdry.

Clearly if your life depended on this suit ( ie offshore serious use) then you are gonna buy the best quality money can buy, but for launching at Warsash for a days pottering, this is a bargain

Please let me know

Cheers

ps I have a ravenspring bottom half of suit which is good ( lucky enough to find one seconhand for a tenner ) which I use for launching

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