Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 25 October 2008, 13:48   #21
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmuz7 View Post
I think if a boat can be altered easily it would make it a more attactive purchase for a second hand boat , since the new prospective owner could tweak the set up to his or her liking, and it would therefor sell very easily, so in theory its retained value would be high
Agreed provided the boat itself has the correct reputation. Hence why it might be better to build on someone else's brand. I guess the other issue is cost of reconfiguring... most 2nd hand boats can be reconfigured with a grinder, a tube of sikaflex and some self tappers... albeit with a bit of hard graft - the costly bit is the new console/jockeys etc - thats not going to get cheaper with this route (and potentially be locked into a relatively narrow range).
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 October 2008, 14:30   #22
Member
 
Bigmuz7's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Glasgow
Boat name: stramash
Make: Tornado
Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 90
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,068
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart View Post
most 2nd hand boats can be reconfigured with a grinder, a tube of sikaflex and some self tappers... albeit with a bit of hard graft - the costly bit is the new console/jockeys etc - thats not going to get cheaper with this route (and potentially be locked into a relatively narrow range).
But the consoles (for example) could be twice as expensive as an ordinary one (finished) and it would still make sense financially, since you wouldn't have the effort /cost of ripping an old one out, and having a new one fitted by a dealer if you wern't happy with it (excepting DIY modding here) if you see what I mean ,.. not to mention avoiding the hassle of it all

plus, your old one would have retained value to be sold to somone else

(as with everything) its going to come down to cost though, people wont buy the concept unless you can prove its viability, and the integrity of the components , which means there would be a sales job to do in convincing peeps that a jockey pod is twice the price because its removeable ! Doh .. I'm thinking aloud , and youve probably been down this road a few times malthouse
__________________

__________________
Bigmuz7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 October 2008, 16:00   #23
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmuz7 View Post
But the consoles (for example) could be twice as expensive as an ordinary one (finished) and it would still make sense financially, since you wouldn't have the effort /cost of ripping an old one out, and having a new one fitted by a dealer if you wern't happy with it (excepting DIY modding here) if you see what I mean ,.. not to mention avoiding the hassle of it all
next time you want to change your console let me know - i'll bring happily change it for you if I get 100% markup for doing the removal / installation!
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25 October 2008, 16:55   #24
Member
 
Bigmuz7's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Glasgow
Boat name: stramash
Make: Tornado
Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 90
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,068
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart View Post
next time you want to change your console let me know - i'll bring happily change it for you if I get 100% markup for doing the removal / installation!
Sounds like a plan I have a job in mind .. the chap that rigged the boat I currently have put the console offset and too far back, how good are you with restoring teak effect finishes? Hope your grp knowledge is at the cutting edge, as I wouldnt want to be left with a scabby looking deck, plus theres the screw holes to deal with , not to mention the wiring extenstions,..and tank replacement,.. of course you'll guarantee your work for three years, and while your at it, give me your home phone number so I can call you in the middle of the night incase something breaks
__________________
Bigmuz7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 October 2008, 05:57   #25
Member
 
Channel Ribs's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: Alderney
Length: no boat
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmuz7 View Post
(as with everything) its going to come down to cost though
If we are right it should be no more expensive than any other gear, the boat might be a tad more than some basic brands because there are a few corners that cant be cut.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmuz7 View Post
...a jockey pod is twice the price because its removeable!
Oooo, can we call it a Podular RIB?
__________________
Channel Ribs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 October 2008, 06:13   #26
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigmuz7 View Post
how good are you with restoring teak effect finishes?
now if you want poncy finishes on your rib you deserve to pay over the odds to get your console moved!
Quote:
not to mention the wiring extenstions
and that was the point I was making earlier in the thread - the physical movement is only part of the problem - rewiring is potentially as big a job all over again.

If you can get those sort of garuntees from any boat builder / rigger you are doing pretty well - I could probably sort you out with the sort of after sales support we come to expect in the 21st century - a 50p per minute overseas call centre who have never seen the product you are talking about!
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 October 2008, 06:17   #27
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
malthouse - as a very small stepping stone in the right direction - how about consoles which are prewired with bluesea (or similar) switches, master switch, batter(ies), and cabling in place ready to simply connect to the back of your chosen instruments. Given your other business interests they could even be supplied with your chosen instruments pre-fitted. All you would need to do is connect the engine loom, etc and screw and glue to the deck.
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 October 2008, 06:40   #28
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Gloucestershire
Boat name: Osprey
Make: Osprey Vipermax
Length: 5m +
Engine: E-tec 300 G2
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 4,013
I would have thought this would be mainly of interest to commercial users. I can't think of many Leisure users that would want or need the capability to completely reconfigure their RIB beyond changing the bench seat for a jockey or something like that (which is easily done anyway)

The thing is most commercial users would also have the ability to make the necessary changes to their layout without needing a rib designed to be reconfigured.

I maybe short sighted but I can't really see the market for this?

There maybe a few diehard fiddlers on here that would love a RIB they could change however I cant see it appealing to the wider audience.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------
Chris Stevens

Born fiddler
Chris is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 October 2008, 06:58   #29
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Inverness
Boat name: none
Make: none
Length: 5m +
Engine: none
MMSI: none
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,908
Anything is possible if you throw enough money at it and this is the crux of the problem.
To make units moveable involves a huge amount of custom work, from tanks to consoles to fixings and sealing. These all add to the costs of build making the product highly expensive in relation to other manufacturers.
I can see a market for something like this but very very limited, possibly the millionaires yacht tender market?
I honestly can't see the majority of leisure users paying the extra to have the ability to move things about, most folk would use the cash to buy a bigger hull if given the choice.
I also don't see many commercial users wanting it either, there are hardpoint systems already that can be used for addition/removal of seating etc and the labour costs of constantly moving things about for different days has to be considered. Most companies that did this a lot would have multiple rigged boats as it would work out cheaper in the long run.
I would be interested to see the concept you come up with but would have to say that unless you manage to make it extraordinarily user friendly and cheap I can see it being worthwhile commercially.
__________________
BruceB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26 October 2008, 07:23   #30
Member
 
Channel Ribs's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: Alderney
Length: no boat
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 3,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceB View Post
I honestly can't see the majority of leisure users paying the extra to have the ability to move things about
Quote:
If we are right it should be no more expensive than any other gear...


This is not intended to be a super yacht tender, it is a concept that would allow greater flexibility for RIB owners to add, remove or change the arrangement of their boat.

The basic boat would be as attractive as any other small production sea capable boat, no more expensive and no less elegant.
__________________

__________________
Channel Ribs is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 15:50.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.