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Old 27 February 2005, 16:47   #11
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guess it would be a definite for a trip to France by RIB
You gonna do it? Cool.
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Old 27 February 2005, 17:23   #12
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Don't get me wrong about some kind of International certificate being a good thing, what I don't like is the fact that I have been 'sold' a 'thing' that is purported to show that you are certified to a specific level and I am now being told that this 'thing' is now only vaild on a British registered boat. I trained for and bought this 'thing' on the understanding that it was an International Certificate of Competence that could be used to charter vessels abroad, now I find out that this was a lie, and that it is legally worthless for that purpose, although I do agree that it is better than nothing, but there again my dayskipper certificate can prove that, I don't need to pay extra for a 'thing' that is bol.ox I have been truly misled that I required this 'thing' to charter a boat abroad, that is a LIE (because it doesn't) and I have been DECIEVED

Now best they all get it sorted and agree that this 'thing' can now be called a true ICC with a proper purpose, but I guess that will take years of foreign travel and expenses, meetings in posh hotels and the like, well they can shove the incompetent RYA up their ar.e, they are getting no more money from me
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Old 27 February 2005, 17:25   #13
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You gonna do it? Cool.
yep - St Malo, Rennes, Nantes.
fancy a trip jw ??
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Old 27 February 2005, 17:44   #14
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but I guess that will take years of foreign travel and expenses, meetings in posh hotels and the like,
Actually the IMO, who set UN regulation 40 is based in the UK..
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Old 27 February 2005, 18:26   #15
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Oh yeh! Well here is a little taste of the nonsense and confusion going on, but I guess it can all be cleared up with conference calls and e-mails, eh :-

http://www.unece.org/trans/doc/2004/...3-2004-16e.pdf

http://www.unece.org/trans/doc/2002/...2002-05a1e.doc


From my understand (please correct me if I am wrong). for example, if chartering a vessel in France, and you are the operator of a sports craft, designed and equipped for a sporting activity, and in particular for sailing at speeds greater than 20km/h, or of pleasure barges more than 15mtrs long, you must be in possession either of either of the appropriate French documentation or of a document recognised under a reciprical agreement between France and the the operators country of origin. These provisions are applicable immediately, so if as the RYA state, the ICC is not recognised whilst you are in charge of a foreign vessel (non British registered being used abroad), best you get the French exam done (P9. para 24 refers on first doc). The resolution has been incorporated into national law in France.
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Old 28 February 2005, 01:37   #16
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Old 28 February 2005, 02:58   #17
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Do Med charter companies like Mark Warner, Sun Sail, Neilson etc use British Registered Yachts?
Sunsail and Neilson run Greek registered boats in Greece so I assume they are all under local registry around the world.

Over the last 3 years with Neilson I have never been asked for any papers or documentation
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Old 28 February 2005, 03:07   #18
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I don't deny that you have not, but if you read what the RYA say i.e. that your ICC is only valid when on a British registered vessel abroad, and then read the UN resolution 40, it seems that you are no longer certified as competent when in charge of a foreign vessel, unless you are certified according to their law, i.e. having completed their appropriate exams.

So confusing as anything really, but best to know what is what before a mojor accident / incident abroad, don't you think.

If anyone on here can unravel this, then I certainly would appreciate it.
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Quote from the application for a ICC


1 ELIGIBILITY
This certificate is only available to British citizens and bona fide British residents over the age of 16.Evidence of residency for non-citizens will be required in the form of a photocopy of a driving licence , utility bill, Council Tax bill or bank statement ect. Further authenticated evidence residency for non-citizens may be required.
The ICC is acceptable for British citizens or residents using a British flagged vessel for leisure .Other countries may accept the ICC for their native flagged vessels

2 EVIDENCE OF COMPETENCY Evidence may be provided in one of the following ways
a. By producing an RYA certificate of satisfactory completion of a relevant PRACTICAL course , an RYA/MCA Certificate of Competence or a Statutory Certificate of Competence issued by the MCA , or a services Bridge Watch Keeping Certificate . See list on page 4 . Section 11a below must be completed
b: By passing a test of competence at an RYA recognised training centre or an RYA affiliated club authorised to carry out tests .For power endorsed ICC'S, this test must be carried out on a vessel appropriate to the type of ICC required , ie above or below 10 metres.


You should read the instructions in part 1 Peteb , and i would advise before undertaking a charter in a foreign country , you check with the charter company what is required from you to hire a craft . So not a useless piece of paper just some confusion by expats on foreign registered vessels trying to get round the licencing laws . If you are an expat on a British registered vessel you won't have a problem.
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Old 28 February 2005, 03:19   #20
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Thanks Tim, what you say there seems to make sense, but I guess if you are in a country that 'requires licencing', then the RYA are saying that if you are in charge of a foreign vessel in one of these countries, then you are not covered by the ICC. And if you are not covered by the ICC, then you have to have completed the countries appropriate training, well clear as mud to me that bit

I just think that the RYA should have written to ALL holders of the ICC explaining what is what, can you imagine going on an annual holiday to charter and being turned away when you arrive because of this!

Thanks for the help
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