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Old 30 January 2014, 11:07   #31
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I have thought for a long time there should be a national registration of boat owenership of some sort.
Owner had a handover from the dealer. Owner had a 2 day RYA training course. Nothing there to suggest that having a paperwork system would do anything to reduce the number of accidents.
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Old 30 January 2014, 11:21   #32
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Owner had a handover from the dealer. Owner had a 2 day RYA training course. Nothing there to suggest that having a paperwork system would do anything to reduce the number of accidents.
If the safe practice leaflets had pictures of dead cut up bodies and explain the risks and how it happened would have some effect though.

I would rather that than it leading to licensing and pricing people out of having a boat in the first place.

Thankfully it's rare compared to the amount of people afloat though.
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I'm on the RYA mailing list, and today noticed a "Safety Advisory Notice 01/2014", which is a first, and aimed at the leisure user. Makes oblique mention to this sad incident.
Doh, just seen SPR thread
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Old 30 January 2014, 11:30   #34
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If the safe practice leaflets had pictures of dead cut up bodies and explain the risks and how it happened would have some effect though.
no it wouldn't - the only people who read "bumpf" sent out like that are people who are genuinely interested - you want to educate the disinterested: that is a much harder challenge. Every year your car, house and boat insurer send you a renewal letter usually with a pack of waffle telling you what has changed. Most people read the price and file the rest.

If it was an effective way to reduce casualties - insurers would/could already circulate it, as they are the ones risking picking up the bill.
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Interesting though all of the discussion of handbooks, boat handling, grab handles, alcohol consumption etc is - at the core of this incident is the use of the kill cord.
All of the family were wearing lifejackets, for sure they would have had a nasty shock at finding themselves in the water, but the use of the kill cord would have prevented the Rib from carrying on after the ejection.
Much like a seat belt in a car, it has to be made instinctive to reach for it and wear it.
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no it wouldn't - the only people who read "bumpf" sent out like that are people who are genuinely interested - you want to educate the disinterested: that is a much harder challenge. Every year your car, house and boat insurer send you a renewal letter usually with a pack of waffle telling you what has changed. Most people read the price and file the rest.

If it was an effective way to reduce casualties - insurers would/could already circulate it, as they are the ones risking picking up the bill.
Point taken about the disinterested but that goes with everything.

However most of these 'incidents' are accidents, by this I mean they don't set out to have the 'incident'.
It usually takes them by surprise and happens because they don't realise the risks or dangers in what they are doing, not because they are looking to do it on purpose!
So I feel 8 out of 10 would read it.

Insurance is not a legal requirement for boats, so no point sending it out with the papers because again the 'disinterested' won't have insurance!
So would never see it
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Should be required reading for all small high powered craft owners. The explanation of how a "hook" occurs is clear & concise.
I agree Pikey Dave, im just doing my Yacht Master Theory night school course and last night we were learning about stability of craft and the various factors.

I think the report highlights a great many areas that people can learn from, not only boat owners but boat builders and associated builders of throttles etc. For me I can see why the accident happened (human error) but there were also a number of contributing factors. Kind of a 'perfect storm' type of event. I am wondering apart from us who have an interest in improving our skills and knowledge whether the report will have any effect at all on the general boating public ?

Yes should be requirred reading.
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I agree Pikey Dave, im just doing my Yacht Master Theory night school course and last night we were learning about stability of craft and the various factors.

I think the report highlights a great many areas that people can learn from, not only boat owners but boat builders and associated builders of throttles etc. For me I can see why the accident happened (human error) but there were also a number of contributing factors. Kind of a 'perfect storm' type of event. I am wondering apart from us who have an interest in improving our skills and knowledge whether the report will have any effect at all on the general boating public ?

Yes should be requirred reading.
I'm sad to say I don't think it will have much effect.
I didn't know till this thread started and I have spoke to a couple of boating friends, with fishing boats and they didn't know it was published either.

I will be telling everyone to get the word about!!
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I'm on the RYA mailing list, and today noticed a "Safety Advisory Notice 01/2014", which is a first, and aimed at the leisure user. Makes oblique mention to this sad incident.
Doh, just seen SPR thread
I will look at that. Thanks for the info
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If the safe practice leaflets had pictures of dead cut up bodies and explain the risks and how it happened would have some effect though.

I would rather that than it leading to licensing and pricing people out of having a boat in the first place.

Thankfully it's rare compared to the amount of people afloat though.
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I'm sad to say I don't think it will have much effect.
I didn't know till this thread started and I have spoke to a couple of boating friends, with fishing boats and they didn't know it was published either.

I will be telling everyone to get the word about!!
So reading a report of an actual incident where people died, including an 8yr old, would have little effect, whereas a load of bumf would Make your mind up Squire
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