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Old 30 January 2014, 06:32   #21
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There is a lot to take in within this report.
Lots to consider, for all boat owners: Kill cords off course but appropriate seating, hull design, hand holds, alcohol, iso build standards, fly by wire controls, max engine Power, experience/training, unexplained actions amonst other things all come into play. I feel there are points for almost all to take from this report, despite your boat, training or experience.
Have any of you ever seen a warning sign in your boat that indicates maximum manoeuvre speed??
Another point I feel needs mentioned is the actions of several individuals that have been highlighted in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy, their selfless actions and bravery may have prevented more injury.
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Old 30 January 2014, 06:32   #22
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Paul Lemmer's published R.I. review of that hull (in the appendices) is fairly damning on that subject. He seemed to feel that the tendency for the stern to lift and plane sideways before violently digging in (slide/hook/sidedump/whatever) was a flaw in the design that could/should be addressed. I'm not sure when the article was published, or the Milly hull built.

On another note, the driver had a level of blood alcohol that suggests a couple of beers or similar had been consumed. Not enough to impair driving skills IMO, but maybe enough to relax and reduce the sense of caution.

Mixing 300hp with seawater is a heady cocktail that we'd all enjoy. But it's a mix that can turn sour very easily. Our nature is to enjoy ourselves and not focus on the bad stuff that "is never going to happen to us". Sometimes it does.

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How about the Mods putting the report in the "features" section of the forum? When we get new members asking for advice/help etc. They could be pointed to the report as useful reading.
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How about the Mods putting the report in the "features" section of the forum? When we get new members asking for advice/help etc. They could be pointed to the report as useful reading.
I'll mention it to Lord Vetinari
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Old 30 January 2014, 06:42   #24
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I'll mention it to Lord Vetinari
You have faaaaaar toooooo much time on your hands
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The discussion of the 'hook' is interesting - I have my own RIB / have done the level 2 & advanced courses - but was not aware of that possibility... maybe it needs to open up some thinking on including in the course(s) things that might go wrong - at a more detailed level... There is a tendency to assume that a boat is like a car - bank round fast right / left and it will go where you point it... very sad case.

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There is a lot to take in within this report.
Lots to consider, for all boat owners: Kill cords off course but appropriate seating, hull design, hand holds, alcohol, iso build standards, fly by wire controls, max engine Power, experience/training, unexplained actions amonst other things all come into play. I feel there are points for almost all to take from this report, despite your boat, training or experience.
Have any of you ever seen a warning sign in your boat that indicates maximum manoeuvre speed??
Another point I feel needs mentioned is the actions of several individuals that have been highlighted in the immediate aftermath of the tragedy, their selfless actions and bravery may have prevented more injury.
Paul is completely right on this.
What alarms me - is that we have all witnessed what I can only describe as "relaxed ignorance" on the part of groups of people and families out on their boat in the Summer, behaving in pretty much the same way. The adults in question had both completed PB level 2, and would never have knowingly put their children at risk. How things can go so quickly wrong is the first thing that strikes me. No one on the boat was prepared for what unfolded.
This forum and its members are an informed and educated group of boat users, so preaching to the converted is only of value, if they then use that information to help and educate others.
Contentiously - I think that no legislation for kill cords (with an obvious question of who would police it even if there were) means that boat users should be comfortable with and prepared to comment, cajole, criticise other users to self police their boating safety.
Launching authorities can play a part - to launch here you must have one lifejacket for everyone on the boat, a functioning kill cord etc. (although having the kit doesnt always mean that it gets used). There will not be some overnight paradigm shift in boat users safety as a result of this. There will always be someone that goes out and buys a cheap boat on a whim with no training, or concept of the consequences when things go wrong.
But reaching the occasional boaters, the summer afternoon ones, those who would always wear their seat belts in the car.....must be an achievable aim.
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I agree with the above.
However it is very difficult, boating is one of the last things we have left that is 'free and open' to all.
The fact anyone can do it is part of the magic of it and it's very special.
Putting people on the slipway is a good idea but they can't be there 24/7 and it would only increase launching costs.

I have thought for a long time there should be a national registration of boat owenership of some sort.

I would happily pay 20.00 or something to transfer a new boat to my name.

Then a pack of safe practices and safety advice could be sent out to all new owners each time!

The other issue is all boats handle differently, so you can get in another and suddenly realise it doesn't handle like yours, so it can take you by surprise easily!!
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This year I will be fitting kill cord stickers to the console as I sometimes forget at helm changes to put it back on.
My habit is to drape the cord round the wheel when it's not in use. Engine is switched off for all helm changes.
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When I do any instruction I always teach to remove the cord from the rib then the driver for any helm changes.
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When I do any instruction I always teach to remove the cord from the rib then the driver for any helm changes.
Kill cord discussions aside the article makes some very interesting points.
Still a very tragic accident and my thoughts are with the family...
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