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Old 21 August 2008, 10:29   #11
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Very well said Matthew ! Does sound like there was nothing 'wrong' with the boat , just didn't have the right paperwork to be able to save someones life ! _ i'd still like to get the full story just so I can bristle some more about stupid H&S rules made up by muppets who have never stepped out of the office in more than a light shower ( while getting paid - unlike the majority of rescue boat crews be it RNLI / local etc )
I just noticed this post, I agree with Havener, and am surprised that you do not have to follow any H&S rules! I am a member of my local indie rescue service and we have to follow the rescue boat code to the letter just the same as any other life/rescue boat. Are you a declared asset? This is the only thing i can think of that might exempt you from some parts of the rescue boat code as its possible the boat may not need coded!

All declared assets in the UK have to (or will have to when it comes into full effect) adhere to the rescue boat code and fall under the authority of the coastguard. Essentially, if for whatever reason they say you cant launch then you cant launch.

In this incident it appears that a coded boat which was likely a declared asset was presumably taken of station as it was deemed by the MCA to be unfit for its purpose. The repairs had been carried out but it had not been inspected to ensure that it was once again fit for its purpose and was therefore still of station. Remember this boat is coastguard and would therefore have to have any repairs signed of by the MCA rather that checked locally

If you took your car for an MOT and it failed, then you went outside and did the repairs yourself, the car wouldnt have a valid MOT until it had be retested would it? Do you think broken ambulances and fire engines would be on the road? Would a faulty aircraft be allowed to fly? The answer is no so why would you expect any different of a rescue boat? This is why the RNLI have relief boats because if one breaks then they cant use it so while its being fixed they put a relief boat on station

I know it seems like H&S gone mad but unfortunately thats just the way of it these days. Imagine what the articles would have said if the boat had picked the girl up and then sunk and the girl had drowned. The three crew who took the boat would have been sued to kingdom come! This unfortunately is the way the MCA have to look at these things.

All that being said I do sympathise with the boat crew, it would be hard standing there watching knowing there was a boat at the top of the slip that they could use to rescue the girl. Like i said in my first post, there is no right answer. I hope these guys are cleared of any kind of wrong doing and are allowed to comtinue saving lives.

In the end though, the important thing is that the girl is safe!!

Sorry for the rant but it seems like people are unhappy with the MCA because they have rules which have to be adhered to and they are there for the safety of the public and rescue crews. The MCA and its aux coastguard teams do a sterling job imo and they should have our gratitude for it. Unfortunately, somtimes their hands are tied as a result of the where theres blame theres a claim culture we have adopted from th US.
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Old 21 August 2008, 12:09   #12
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Is the intention of the MCA to have all of it's boats up to the new rescue spec? (Forgive me if I've not noticed this earlier in the thread) If they are not they may be softening the organisation up to have this option removed for their GP boats and devolve all rescues to boat deemed fit for purpose.

This does has echoes of the furore that erupted when that poor kid drowned within sight of two PCSOs
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The MCGA have been trying to remove the boat from Hope Cove for ages, there is a lot more to this than we are being told.
If you think the boat should be returned to Hope Cove then please sign the pettion at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/h...coastguardboat
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Thankyou i will take on board what you have pointed out.I cannot say you are right or wrong i have only been a member of this team for a couple of months and have never been envolved in the Rescue boat code before and am spending a lot of time learning things.I shall however look into it in more detail and post again
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Sorry, you're wrong there.

The MCA have been consulting for years on the Rescue Boat Code - this is close to full implementation, and when brought in will cause problems for many of the independent boats around the country. One of the drivers I believe for Cowes going RNLI was the fact that their boat wouldn't comply with the Code.

As for being a charity, in law you are still considered an "employer" in terms of your obligation to undertake a duty of care towards your "employees", whether paid or voluntary. Trust me, we went through all that years ago when with another indie service and the result was a 120 page Standard Ops Procedure.

Drop me a PM if you need chapter and verse.
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You do agree then? "the important thing is the girl is safe"
The rest is so much government indoctronated B.S.
I rest my case.
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You do agree then? "the important thing is the girl is safe"
The rest is so much government indoctronated B.S.
I rest my case.

Nope..it's litigation driven bullshit.
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Nope..it's litigation driven bullshit.
Makes no odds if it's from a Friesian or a Jersey. It's still bullshit. Whatever happened to common sense and letting the guys on the ground make the call?
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The MCGA have been trying to remove the boat from Hope Cove for ages, there is a lot more to this than we are being told.
If you think the boat should be returned to Hope Cove then please sign the pettion at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/h...coastguardboat
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This has the whiff of something personal about it!? Do the MCA have relief boats? I could not imagine a national agency operating like this surely!
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