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Old 10 October 2013, 02:50   #41
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Seriously? The safeties are not there to rescue those who don't want rescuing. If they want to be rescued later that's fine, but with your logic any capsized dinghy requires immediate intervention to prevent something which "could" happen 10, minutes later, 30 minutes later, or never.
Yes they are, if they consider leaving the sailor in the water is a serious safety issue (e.g. hypothermia or total exhaustion or serious lack of experience for the wind and sea conditions).

A hypothermic person in the water will often not want to get into the safety boat and you have to take control of the situation as safety boat crew. Also a sailor not coping with the sea conditions will often not want to be taken ashore.

However I agree many safety boat crews can be over keen to perform a rescue, rather than stand off at a safe distance to observe.


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Old 10 October 2013, 09:20   #42
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OMG looks like that dinghy is going to capsize!!! The horrors. Must stop dinghy from capsizing!

You would not get safety boat duty for long around here with your overprotective attitude. And our water is no warmer than yours, with dinghy racing occuring year-round.
Sorry, not only not only did I get work on your side of the pond, I am also a US
Sailing Instructor Trainer/Assessor and a US Sailing Keelboat Instructor Trainer/Assessor.

I also ran the sailing programs at a very old and respected NY yacht club for 3 years, won national championships in J44's and raced in many of the classics over there.

In addition I have worked teaching sailing and powerboating for over 20 years in over 20 countries, so someone must think i know what i am doing.
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Does anybody know if the guy in the water survived and how he did in the race?
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Old 10 October 2013, 12:28   #44
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Does anybody know if the guy in the water survived and how he did in the race?
Something tells me if either the skipper of the black dinghy or the white dinghy had a scratch or shiver mentioned in the newpapers, most of the cringers here would have crucified the safety boat cox's even worse than you already have.

I think they did a reasonable job; and it sucks to be second guessed on the internet by a bunch of nervous nillys via a video those cox's don't even know exists.
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Looks and sounds like a load of hot air for.... er nothing!
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Old 10 October 2013, 12:38   #46
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Oppy nationals Line squalls gusts of 40knts, grab the kids leave the boats!
I wonder if we were ever rescuing the same fleet..... ?

In the nationals I rescued at the gusts like that flattened about 4 boats & the rest all had silly grins as they finally got on the plane!


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Yes they are, if they consider leaving the sailor in the water is a serious safety issue (e.g. hypothermia or total exhaustion or serious lack of experience for the wind and sea conditions).

A hypothermic person in the water will often not want to get into the safety boat and you have to take control of the situation as safety boat crew. Also a sailor not coping with the sea conditions will often not want to be taken ashore.
I have seen dinghy crews fight off the rescue boat (literally) and these were people who were clearly not in any state of physical distress.
Flip side I have seen people finally pulled out utterly exhausted and a matter of tens of yards before the dinghy was trashed on the beach after insisiting they could get the thing back upright and barrel rolling it a couple of dozen times.
Somewhere in the middle I have seen boats righted by the rib & sailed back by a crew who reckoned the bar was a better bet in this weather & dinghy crews joining the rescue boat to assist (in the water) with other rescues.

No "pro forma" can ever be used in a situation like this, even although some methods (see RYA rescue boat course or your local equivalent) can be proven to work better than others in most situations.


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Does anybody know if the guy in the water survived and how he did in the race?

I guess he survived or it would have been on the telly by now!
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Looks and sounds like a load of hot air for.... er nothing!
Aye, although I can see how the pictures may generate the discussion.

We haven't all come into ribs via tippy dinghies!
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Something tells me if either the skipper of the black dinghy or the white dinghy had a scratch or shiver mentioned in the newpapers, most of the cringers here would have crucified the safety boat cox's even worse than you already have.
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I was trying not to crucify him... My point being that he survived and therefore the rescue was successful... I couldn't care less whether he should of gone in nose first or side first. At least they got the boat out and everyone went home intact...
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I wonder if we were ever rescuing the same fleet..... ?

In the nationals I rescued at the gusts like that flattened about 4 boats & the rest all had silly grins as they finally got on the plane!
Not unless you were in the US in 98 but oppies are the same the world over bathtubs, with hankies
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