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Old 23 March 2006, 04:45   #21
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Skipper Qualifications

Rogue, I AGREE!!
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"I would normally support the skipper 100% as he would not have known the boat defects. However to operate without the required endorsements is I am afraid, criminal......"
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Old 23 March 2006, 05:15   #22
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John, as an aside, how do you manage to fuel the boat and remain 100% legal? As far as I am aware there is no petrol on the quayside at Whitehaven, so I guess you must be transporting it by road in jerry cans. What are the licensing and insurance implications of this?

I'm sure it must be possible to do legally (for instance Voyages of Discovery move 1000 lites a day in jerry cans at peak season), but I know it's something a lot of people struggle with.

Any pointers would be much appreciated.

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Old 23 March 2006, 05:38   #23
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This is an interesting section about how "Big Yellow" came to operate in St. Ives.



1.15 PENWITH DISTRICT COUNCIL AND ST IVES HARBOURMASTER’S
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Penwith District Council does not have any specific licensing requirements for operations in St Ives harbour. However, as part of his general duties, the harbourmaster issues broad instructions in the form of Codes of Practice to ensure safety within his area of jurisdiction.

A copy of the Code for Fast RIB Operations is at Annex G. In the interest of public safety, the harbourmaster also requires companies carrying fee paying passengers to seek his approval to operate.

The owners of Big Yellow were well known to Penwith District Council and the St Ives harbour harbourmaster. For the past 4-5 years, the skipper of Big Yellow had operated a small company offering low power, self-drive, pleasure boat rides within the confines of St Ives harbour.
The business had been conducted to the harbourmaster’s satisfaction. When he was approached to approve the Big Yellow’s operation, he confirmed that the Code compliance examination had been completed and that the skipper held the appropriate powerboat qualification. He then recommended to Penwith District Council that the request to operate the Big Yellow pleasure rides should be endorsed.

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Old 23 March 2006, 06:57   #24
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the ribeye that does rib rides in the same bay refused to go to sea on the day this happened .

far to ruff in theier opinion
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Old 23 March 2006, 07:24   #25
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I think yeah well if it's so difficult to get how come it gets tacked on to the end of a weeks tuition as I mentioned in my post.
I could tell you some interesting stories about that one!
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In percentage terms I think the split between poor build quality and lack of judgement on behalf of the skipper is 99% in favour of poor build.

Had the boat stayed together he’d of had a boat load of wet and possibly relieved punters who had just experienced why ribs are so good.

Had he capsized the boat or stuffed it badly and broken a punters leg or two you could argue it the other way.I think that all injuries were due to hull failing.

Lack of qualification is a technicality for someone with experience, how many O level or A level equivalents did Einstein have Des
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Fully agree Des - maybe the skipper decided his experience was far more valuable than someone who has just done a "crash" course!!!

He can not have expected his boat to fall apart under him.!!!

As to being wrong to offer "thrill" rides why not? In this PC age maybe people find the word offensive - it implies a voyage purely for enjoyment.....
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Shaggy, that makes very interesting reading!
I thought that against a Ferryman, the Falcon actually starts to look like class cutting edge construction! OK, maybe not!
Are these actually photos of the inside of the Ferryman? If so no wonder!!!
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Interesting to note the dislocated shoulder actually occurred AFTER the accident - when the bloke was being rescued!!!!
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Fully agree Des - maybe the skipper decided his experience was far more valuable than someone who has just done a "crash" course!!!

He can not have expected his boat to fall apart under him.!!!

As to being wrong to offer "thrill" rides why not? In this PC age maybe people find the word offensive - it implies a voyage purely for enjoyment.....
The thrill bit is what the insurance companies crap their pants at!!! same way that now it is not uncommon for the insurance companies to look at websites, phone for information etc posing as a customer and then writting to you with their concerns.

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