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Old 23 March 2006, 03:53   #11
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Not a rib, but here is the latest report in which 3 people died on a sports boat. All found to be over the limit. Report
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Old 23 March 2006, 04:02   #12
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Thanks for the heads up and the link to the MAIB report. Made interesting reading and a timely reminder to my team how quickly it can all go wrong. Glad everyone was OK, that is the main point. It appears a combination of poor boat construction and dubious skipper-ing caused this.(Stuffing with kids on board is avoidable if correct measures are taken) I would normally support the skipper 100% as he would not have known the boat defects. However to operate without the required endorsements is I am afraid, criminal. Whilst I agree it appears too easy to get these at the moment (there should be a minimum period/hours after Advanced qual before seeking commercial endorsement) to run a boat without them is just asking for trouble and lowers the publics view of what I believe is a pretty professional industry. I am surprised he could get insurance for advertsising as a thrill ride. We tried it and were told in no uncertain terms the premium was totally unaffordable. How did he get insurance if he wasn't qualified? We are limited to 25knots, which to be honest for joe public is fast enough.
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Old 23 March 2006, 04:04   #13
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I think you are correct about the commercial stuff. When i have done my "tickets" i have always made sure i have gained the correct miles..... however i have noticed that alot of people i join clearly have not done the recommedation. If they did then they would have done an apprenticeship
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Old 23 March 2006, 04:10   #14
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Sorry Solent...can't find the link other than direct to Jon's site?
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Old 23 March 2006, 04:11   #15
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Whilst I agree it appears too easy to get these at the moment (there should be a minimum period/hours after Advanced qual before seeking commercial endorsement) to run a boat without them is just asking for trouble
There is an additional requirement! To get a commercial endorsement of an Advanced PB cert now. The person has to undergo an "exam" ,both written and practical, by either a powerboat trainer or suitable briefed YM examiner. This has been the case since Jan 2005. It's now less easy to get than it was in the past.

I'm in the process of writing my opps and skipper ops manual for the Gunwarf operation and all skippers will have to be commercially endorsed. The report mad for some interesting reading in certain areas. As in fact did the report on the powerboat which hit the rocks. Particularly the 2003 act.
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Sorry Solent...can't find the link other than direct to Jon's site?
Click on the word REPORT in my earlier post! It works.
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Re the stiffening I have long believed that every new boat should be accompanied by a CD ROM with Piccies of the various stages of the build process, A GRP deck can hide a multitude of sins. e.g looking at the photos published by Steve the boat and Pressman of their build processes is very reassuring....We have also had pictures on this Forum proudly displaying the Falcon build process.....which certainly weren't reassuring.

Stu, A deck can hide a multitude of sins!! You be surprised at how many manufacturers are particularly vague about the actual lay up of their boats and construction, as you say a CD with it all on shows you have nothing to hide
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Uuum!!! Being ex-Army I used to have a man who did reading for me whilst polishing my boots and ironing my issue Y fronts!!!! You'll be happy to know Brooks (Icom) has just given me rock down the phone for being a knob!!! Have now read it. Thanks.
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Uuum!!! Being ex-Army I used to have a man who did reading for me whilst polishing my boots and ironing my issue Y fronts!!!! You'll be happy to know Brooks (Icom) has just given me rock down the phone for being a knob!!! Have now read it. Thanks.
Must be awful not having anyone call you sir now!!
As you know Richard and I will never do that!!

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There is an additional requirement! To get a commercial endorsement of an Advanced PB cert now. The person has to undergo an "exam" ,both written and practical, by either a powerboat trainer or suitable briefed YM examiner. This has been the case since Jan 2005. It's now less easy to get than it was in the past.

I think yeah well if it's so difficult to get how come it gets tacked on to the end of a weeks tuition as I mentioned in my post. Also does the exam take place with passengers on board or Cargo, is it as exhustive as a PSV exam. I think not! My comments were aimed at the present situation and not the past!

Windrider if the skipper didn't have the qualifications ( as poor as they are) then I have no sympathy for him at all and he should be prosecuted under the Hedalth and Safety Executive's legislation
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