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Old 22 October 2009, 17:13   #11
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An accident that should not have happened.
Isn't that what accidents are un-planned and un-forseen events.
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Old 22 October 2009, 17:15   #12
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Just to clarify, Willk,

before I sign off on this thread. In no way did I mean that the canopy design was to blame, but long after much of the accident is forgotten there is a risk that the image associated with it will remain. End of clarification.
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Nowhere (far as I can see) does the report implicate the canopy design...../QUOTE]

Perhaps they were hiding in embarrassment rather than maintaining a proper watch?
or possibly from Mortification at not being able to get their QUOTES on properly
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but long after much of the accident is forgotten there is a risk that the image associated with it will remain.
Certainly I'll remember the funky canopy with the unfortunately named "suicide seat".

And don't go, the fun is just starting!
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alright WIllk,

I'll stick around a bit longer.

Chewy wrote: :Isn't that what accidents are un-planned and un-forseen events."

Don't think they could have done much planning or foreseeing with that much alcohol in their bodies.
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before I sign off on this thread. In no way did I mean that the canopy design was to blame, but long after much of the accident is forgotten there is a risk that the image associated with it will remain. End of clarification.
Nah, much as I'd like to rip it out of the psuedo RedBay kiosk. The bottom line was, that a bunch of pi$$ed-up guys took the wrong course at speed at night and got it wrong.
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The bottom line was, that a bunch of pi$$ed-up guys took the wrong course at speed at night and got it wrong.
Yes. You make your own luck.

http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?...rmory+accident

There are a few members in there who can now comment freely in light of the MAIB report, and state openly what was obvious to the rest of us six months ago.

I've been waiting
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Nah, much as I'd like to rip it out of the psuedo RedBay kiosk. The bottom line was, that a bunch of pi$$ed-up guys took the wrong course at speed at night and got it wrong.
I agree.

Of course all the blame will be laid upon the cox - even though they were really all crew and equally to "blame".

Personally I think the death of a good mate would be blame enough.............
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A few observations on this:

First:
- the helmsman had a breath/alcohol concentration of 74mcg/100ml (road driving limit 35/100). This was back calculated to the time of the accident and estimated to be ~3 x the road limit (so impliedly ~105/100)
- the deceased crew had blood/alcohol concentration of 264mg/100ml (road driving limit 80/100) so he was also ~3 x the road limit

Yet the helmsman (reportedly) had not consumed the same amount
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The coxswain ... only consumed alcoholic drinks on alternate rounds
Hmm.

Second:
There is no direct reference to the lunar phase. There's a massive difference between navigating at night with a half moon or better (even with cloud cover) and no moon.

Third:
What part (if any) was played by the tinted windscreen and/or the canvas canopy with clear plastic sections (this may have been rolled up out of the way, I'm not certain)? On a moonless night in confined water, I find it essential to get my head in the open air. I wonder if this played a part.

Fourth:
The effect of the deck light (apparently switched on) is mentioned and is in my view very significant. Even if it was switched off when they left the mooring, the white light from a few minutes earlier would have delayed/prevented the development of night vision for some considerable time. Even without that, it is easy, in an open boat, for night vision to be affected by the all round white light.

It seems quite likely that alcohol played a part in this accident. I wonder if the combination of moonless night, glare/night blindness from the deck light, no adjusted night vision and tinted windscreen meant that the helmsman, for practical purposes, may as well have been wearing a blindfold.

Don't 'drink and drive' is fine as far as it goes, but the direct cause of the accident, it seems to me, was the fact of navigating in the dark, at speed, without actually being able to see. That's simply dumb regardless of intoxication level.
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There is no direct reference to the lunar phase. There's a massive difference between navigating at night with a half moon or better (even with cloud cover) and no moon.
Section 1.5.2 - "no moon"
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