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Old 12 September 2002, 11:21   #11
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The only place I have seen RI for sale is in the Alladin's Cave Chandlers in Swanwick, nd even they admitted that they don't get every issue. I asked my locl newsagent to get it for me, but apparently it isn't listed in the usual Wholesaler info, soIhad to subscribe - and you are then stuck for a year !

Perhaps thats why they do it that way .............
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Old 12 September 2002, 13:51   #12
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Rib Int.

I happen to Agree with most of whats said above.
Once apon a time when it first came out it was okay, then it increased in price and halved the editions.
At this time it was also withdrawn fron WHSmiths and went to subscription predoninatly
It is very rare to find a well written article - has any one noticed the lack of proof reading?
There used to be articles of relavence but there seems to be more on cars and adverts!
Lots of shiney new boats most more sutable for sunning oneself then the UK in anything other than high summer.
Nothing on older boats for those of use unable to splash out on a new boat - what lasts?
If only it got as bad a Y& Y it would be a major improvement!
ok rant over!
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Old 12 September 2002, 15:01   #13
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Rib Int

I recently subscribed to above publication following a comment 'earn 60k and buy Rib int' and there is no hiding David as you have openly admitted your satement earlier in the thread.(I wont be instructing solicitors)

Having received my first edition I was very interested, being new to RIBs but did feel it was rather flimsy with little real content. I too felt the car review a total waste of space.

It strikes me there is a big gap in the market that members of RIBnet could more than adequately fill.

David your 60k may be just around the corner!

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Old 12 September 2002, 16:25   #14
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I thought that comment would get you going Mike, I am pleased to see that a lot of other people share our views.

Ithink the worst article I ever read was the trailer article, where the guy baught a RIb, which made him get pulled by Airline hostesses whom he was so busy servicing he forgot to grease his Axle.


I didn't actually finish this, but I felt how much more sensible it would be have been if it was set out more on the lines of a PBO article..

An earlier comment in this thread stated that a lot odf information can be found in this Forum, this is Sooooooo correct and this isn't info you can find on any of the pages of RIB international, but you should be able to!

I am proposing that to improve the situation we could do three things ( four if you do nothing). What is presently sad is that the only magazine dedicated to ribbibng is being almost boycotted by enthusisatic Ribsters (doh)

Start writing what we would like to see, and what we don't want to see in Rib international on this thread and the invite Hugo to read it and comment.

Publish an alternative

Add the features we want to see to BIBOA's magazine. that could boost the membership.


I think think one of the best articles I read in Rib international was by John Aldis when he described building the boats for the RB4...chesk out the console he made!

That's my bit
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HMS and Co will be over here in two weeks time. I will print out this thread (how do I do that JK?) and present it to him. Its no use moaning about these things, put it in writing, like I did, and send it to them. Maybe, just maybe, someone will listen?!!
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Old 12 September 2002, 17:07   #16
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Please, will someone out there say something good about RIB International.

Keith, a poll perhaps? Maybe a carefully loaded question such as, "RI, within a tiny fragmented market with barely no consumer spend, is doing a seriously brave job."

But you can do better than that, I know.

Actually, not in my year and a bit of subscribing to that rag (industry speak, no offence intended) have I once seen a feature on SIBs. Are they missing just a bit of the market?

Whadyathink?
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HMS and Co will be over here in two weeks time. I will print out this thread (how do I do that JK?) and present it to him. Its no use moaning about these things, put it in writing, like I did, and send it to them. Maybe, just maybe, someone will listen?!!
Oh gawd dont do that, taking constructive critiscm is not one of HMS's strong points methinks. I recall a very "hurt" posting in response to critiscm (most of it constructive and well informed) of RB4 last year!

I do find this thread interesting. I didn't renew my subscription in 2001 for reasons given and only rarely see a copy these days. From the comments made nothing has changed!

Alan

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Nice to see some appreciaion of RIBLINES, the BIBOA mag. Considering its an amateur effort aimed at the 250odd members of BIBOA I think its a pretty reasonable read. (Of course being an occasional contributer might make me a little biased )
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I've just received my first ever copy of RIB int. and feel that whilst some of the comments have made their point through exaggeration, there is nevertheless the feeling of having received a little less than good quality press. In fairness, it's better than Sportsboat and RIB magazine, but that's not saying much!

I liked much of the presentation and design, and the general overall presentation of the magazine is very professional, but what really got me was the fact that there are five pages of the eighty-eight trying to be a car magazine.

That's 5.7% for the statistically minded.

Now, the editorial team could, in my opinion, have got away with it if they'd given some hard and accurate information on the towing capabilities of the two vehicles (and I mean manufacturer's recommended towing weights, the legal maximum, and a real world test, with some relevant pictures) - but no, that opportunity was missed.

Why am I about it? Because if I'd wanted a car magazine, I'd have bought one! WHS are full of the things, and they're boring (imho). I've done cars, and now I've found something a lot more challenging. I wanted an exciting magazine about RIBs.

So, as RIB int is sold as a RIB magazine, and therefore must be fit for the purpose, I reckon that I'm owed a refund of 5.7% of the purchase price.

As a subscriber I pay 18 pa for 6 issues = 3 per issue
3 x 5.7% = 17p

Charles, I thank you for your input here, because I'd like to come along to the St Malo cruise to collect my 17p from the editorial team.
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I should be be off to my bed and doing something useful...

But, Pepper m'dear boy, have you ever thought why an editor ( and in this case the publisher as well) gives up all that space to editorial about cars in a mag about RIBs?

Get real.

Despite that, and far be it from me to cast "nasturtiums", but... y'dont think it could have something to do with not having to pay for the editorial write up, or heaven forbid, a regular series of free trial drives in nice new four b'fours?

Nah! 'Course not.

At least Clarkson is rude about most of his freebies.
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But, Pepper m'dear boy, have you ever thought why an editor ( and in this case the publisher as well) gives up all that space to editorial about cars in a mag about RIBs?
Oh, yes! I wasn't born yesterday m'dear ole fellah!
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Get real?
I can assure you that I'm very real indeed! You see, me and Mrs Pepper are a couple of big customers of publishers. We read stuff like it's going out of fashion. Literature, classics, contemporary fiction, faction, fact, biography, autobiography, technical, magazines, ah! back on the thread now... Anyway, you missed my point - imho the editor or writer of the article could have saved the publication's credibility by making the article relevant to the magazine's topic instead of offering something which we could have read in the free local advertiser.

I'm tryin' to be positive in this criticism cos I'm likely to get a cheque for 15 and two fingers from RIB int...

So, how's about this for an idea...
Regular columns - such as a BIBOA report? This is hardly a ground-breaking idea (I'm sure a publishing type like you, Mike could rattle off an instant formula that would leave me stammering hopelessly) - and to kick this off, I'd be willing to volunteer to attempt something on a regular basis.

Anyone any other suggestions? Let's get some positive feedback going...

I'm still coming for my 17p.
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