Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 13 November 2018, 14:50   #1
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: South Cumbria
Boat name: None yet
Make: None yet
Length: 5m +
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 16
Looking for the 'right' RIB - help please

Hi all,


I'm a recent new member on here, but I've been browsing the market in secondhand RIBs for a while now. The main thing I've noticed is that it's a minefield for someone with limited RIB experience to find the right starter boat.


A bit of background to what I want from one - tell me if I'm asking for the moon on a stick...


Budget of about £5000, this can be stretched...
I don't mind a bit of a project, I enjoy that, I have 3 old motors from the 60s and 70s, if anything I'll be glad to not have to do any welding!
I'll maintain the thing myself too, and store it on the trailer.



I live in South Cumbria, and so, whilst the lakes are nearby and lovely to explore on a nice day, for proper RIB fun, it has to be the Irish Sea. I love the Isle of Man and so a boat which could comfortably take 1-2 people across the 45nm or so, once I've built up experience and confidence, would be nice.


All up towing weight of up to 2250kg is fine with my current tow motor, so I can't see that being a limiting factor...


I don't intend on using it for diving, safety boat or anything, just cruising for enjoyment.


I've found a Tornado 5.8 with an Evinrude V4 90hp reportedly in rude health other than a slow leak on an existing patch on the nose, well within budget, which is currently holding my interest.



Am I right in thinking that a 90 on that might be a bit lacking for an IOM trip?


I understand these old Tornados have PU tubes - are these a nightmare to patch? The seller suggests that all old Tornado tubes leak. For the right boat, would it be worth a re-tube eventually, and if so, would hypalon be a worthwhile change?


Sorry for the many questions - I'm hoping this thread will end up with me buying the 'right' RIB to last me a few years!
__________________

__________________
Steve1098 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 02:18   #2
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Ipswich
Boat name: Click and Collect
Make: Valiant and Narwhal
Length: 4m +
Engine: Outboard
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,107
I personally would not worry about the actual tube material but would look at the condition of the tubes and the boat generally

also A 90HP on a 5.8 m rib is indeed a little on the small size but it would be ok if you were just 1 or 2 up. A min of a 115 hp would be better on that size.

At the £5K mark you should be able to get a decent boat but most of the value is in the engine. and something as large as 5.8m will be more expensive. Perhaps look around the 4.8 - 5.4 m mark. It will be easier to launch and recover on your own if this is what you want to do

The other thing is that your first boat is seldom your final boat and if you make a mistake at that price but use the rib you will learn a lot especially about what you actually want/need.

You are looking at a good time of year and I would advise to look on Gumtree, E bay, Boats and outboards every day and be prepared to travel and move quick.

Don't part with any money before you view a boat as there are a lot of scammers out there
__________________

__________________
Bigplumbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 03:15   #3
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: Tohatsu 30HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 11,032
Patching PU is harder that Hypalon. Old PU tubes would have been glued and may well (subject to inspection, age, storage details etc) have issues brewing up with seams or baffles - and a retube would basically cost most of your budget over again whether in PU or Hypalon.

If your plan is to cross to IoM then ignore Bigplums advice about going smaller for easier launching. A 90 would get you to the IoM, at one point it would have been considered normal for that size boat - we have a weird obsession with top speed here. In tough conditions more power is helpful, but youíll be avoiding those conditions, and 90 would get you home anyway just less comfortably. An old Yam 2/ 90HP might be preferable to an old overweight 115 4/ anyway.
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 04:48   #4
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Make: Avon Searider
Length: 4m +
Engine: Yamaha 50
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 5,664
5k is a reasonable budget for a 5ish meter boat. Based on what you've said I'd steer away from that Tornado. That old Evinrude will absolutely drink fuel. You should be able to find something with a more modern engine within budget. It's worth keeping an eye on ebay as bargains do come up pretty often.
__________________
Tim M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 04:55   #5
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Ipswich
Boat name: Click and Collect
Make: Valiant and Narwhal
Length: 4m +
Engine: Outboard
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,107
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim M View Post
5k is a reasonable budget for a 5ish meter boat. Based on what you've said I'd steer away from that Tornado. That old Evinrude will absolutely drink fuel. You should be able to find something with a more modern engine within budget. It's worth keeping an eye on ebay as bargains do come up pretty often.
Much is talked about regarding the amount of fuel different outboards use. The truth is in my view that it makes little difference. Taking into account the number of times a person tends to uses their rib (Say 20 times in a season) the extra cost is sort of negligible
__________________
Bigplumbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 05:05   #6
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: Tohatsu 30HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 11,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigplumbs View Post
Much is talked about regarding the amount of fuel different outboards use. The truth is in my view that it makes little difference. Taking into account the number of times a person tends to uses their rib (Say 20 times in a season) the extra cost is sort of negligible
If you were regularly hoping to make long distance (e.g. NW England to IoM) trips your priorities may shift; fuel cost could become your highest running cost! I do agree though that for short trips, pottering around etc. fuel may not be as critical as people imply. For smaller engines it is certainly less of a concern - I'd say as you get closer to 100HP and 5.8m+ boats then you'd want to be going in with your eyes open!
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 05:40   #7
Member
 
neil.mccrirrick's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Oldham
Boat name: Miss Isle
Make: Solent 6.9
Length: 6m +
Engine: 225 optimax
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,047
Economy does have an impact on distance. If iom is regular and itís a 90 mile circuit an engine that provides 1 litre a mile will mean a fuel tank that can take at least 70 litres so you are not re fuelling at sea. An old 2 smoke could be up there at 2 lites a mile. Now itís a 140 litre tank and more fuel cans
__________________
I'm sorry, if you were right, I'd agree with you.
neil.mccrirrick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 05:55   #8
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Boat name: SMH Rib / War Shot
Make: Ribtec / Scorpion
Length: 4m +
Engine: 100hp Yam/150hp opt
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,961
RIBase
A few thoughts:

V4 Evinrudes and yamahas for that matter do like to drink fuel. Great torque but VERY Thirsty.
A friend has a 90hp Evinrude V4 on his boat and its thirsty and the plastic carbs are trouble.
90hp will be fine on a 5.8m rib.
I've currently got a Ribtec 585 with a 100hp 4 stroke Yamaha and it's perfectly adequate.
My 6.5 Scorpion, whilst it now has a 150 optimax was originally rigged with a 90hp mariner 2 stroke back in 1999. It was plenty then for the first Owner who used it to commute from the Isle of Wight every day.
The 90hp 2 stroke mariner I had on my 5.4m Searider was plenty!

For your budget you'll probably be looking at boats with 2 strokes - the yamaha and mercury 90hp 3 cylinder engines in my experience have been good.

As advised above look on all of the regular sites daily and jump in the car if you find something. Don't buy anything you can't see first.

This might fit the bill if it's still available and some haggling can be done.
https://boats-from.co.uk/not-specifi...-rib-boat-7221
__________________
Searider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 06:02   #9
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset
Boat name: Seabadger
Make: Ribcraft / Delta
Length: 5m +
Engine: Various
MMSI: -
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 585
I had a 1998 Tornado Viking 5.8m rib with the PU tubes and a 90 hp Mercury 2 stroke ont he back for a while. It was a good boat, no hassle at all with the tubes which seemed to remain very clean and suffered no issues during the time I had it.

The 90 was fine on my boat, even for diving etc. Its quite a light boat I found.

I now have a ribcraft 585 to replace it with and my thoughts regarding the Viking are:

The viking is very slammy ride compared to the ribcraft - possibly due to weight or weight distribution - the hulls appeared fairly similar

The viking had a deck mounted alloy fuel tank within the console whereas the ribcraft has an underdeck tank

The vikings tend to come with a single central console whereas my ribcraft has a double width console allowing more space for instruments and being able to chat to your crew beside you.

I would recommend a good sea trial on the viking in the conditions you plan to use it for.
__________________
diver 1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 07:57   #10
Member
 
chipko's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Up North and right a bit
Make: XS500/Bic245
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mariner60/3.5 Hon2.3
MMSI: 239711398
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 481
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poly View Post
Patching PU is harder that Hypalon.

Really. Always assumed processes very similar. Same two part glue eg. Bostic 2402. Exception being not sanding PU mating surfaces which should be prepped by rubbing (aggressively) with MEK/acetone instead.
__________________
chipko is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 08:48   #11
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: north ayrshire
Boat name: charlie girl
Make: reiver 3.8/regal3760
Length: 10m +
Engine: 40hp 2st 2x6lp 315
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,311
The patching process may be similar but getting a successful outcome is more difficult with pu.
Our sailing club had a boat who's tubes literaly fell apart at 7 years old and required a retube.
Not all are a problem but plenty old tornados have tube problems and the only cure is a retube
__________________
beamishken is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 10:45   #12
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Retford
Boat name: Spy-sea-one
Make: Excel 435
Length: 4m +
Engine: Suzuki Outboard/25/4
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 5,645
my ribquest 585 with 90 suzuki on her two up 70 ltrs fuel would do 45 mph in perfect conditions still in the mid 30 mph four up never struggled ever kept up with all the boats on the ERR trips
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20140503_133738.jpg
Views:	222
Size:	189.8 KB
ID:	127693  
__________________
jeffstevens763@g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14 November 2018, 13:55   #13
Member
 
beerbelly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: teesside
Boat name: magic
Make: humber 5.5
Length: 5m +
Engine: mercury 100
MMSI: 232012453
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,100
This might fit the bill if it's still available and some haggling can be done.
https://boats-from.co.uk/not-specifi...-rib-boat-7221[/QUOTE]

if that's still available id check nit over very carefully as that advert was running spring this year and at a decent price id ask why its still for sale
__________________
beerbelly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 November 2018, 08:38   #14
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: South Cumbria
Boat name: None yet
Make: None yet
Length: 5m +
Join Date: Oct 2018
Posts: 16
Thanks for all the advice, so far, everyone!


It sounds like the old Tornado may not be what I need long term. If I said it was up at £3000 with the potential for a lower offer, would that make much difference? If I knew I stood a chance to get my money back out of it to put towards the 'right' one once I have a better idea.


Isle of Man trips are something which I would hope would happen in time, but plenty of coastal trips getting to grips with it all first!
__________________
Steve1098 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 November 2018, 14:33   #15
Member
 
cjj216's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Lancashire
Make: Humber
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 140
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 161
If your budget is 5k but could be stretched then I wouldnít even look at a 3k boat.
Itíll be 3k for a reason.
Try and get someone who knows a bit about boats/ribs to view with you and buy as good a boat as you can afford.
Also factor in buying an aux motor if the boat you like doesnít have one.
Thereís no way Iíd do an IOM trip without the company of another boat or an auxiliary motor in top fettle.
__________________
cjj216 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 November 2018, 14:38   #16
Member
 
cjj216's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Lancashire
Make: Humber
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 140
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 161
Should also say that Iím not saying you canít get a very good boat for 3k ..... or a very bad one for 5k!!
But youíd need to be very lucky to get a really good boat thatíll regularly do IOM for 3k.
As said, try and get someone with experience to view with you.
__________________
cjj216 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 November 2018, 15:27   #17
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Ipswich
Boat name: Click and Collect
Make: Valiant and Narwhal
Length: 4m +
Engine: Outboard
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,107
If you are happy with it and you can get it for under £3k I say go for it
__________________
Bigplumbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 November 2018, 16:09   #18
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: Tohatsu 30HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 11,032
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigplumbs View Post
If you are happy with it and you can get it for under £3k I say go for it

Heís not happy with it, thatís why heís asking on here hoping we convince him. Nobody here has seen it so canít guide him on how likely he has to spend at least 4K on a retube fairly soon.
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 November 2018, 16:31   #19
RIBnet Supporter
 
willk's Avatar
 
Country: Ireland
Make: Redbay Boats
Length: 9m +
Engine: 370hp
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 13,816
RIBase
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poly View Post
He’s not happy with it, that’s why he’s asking on here hoping we convince him. Nobody here has seen it so can’t guide him on how likely he has to spend at least 4K on a retube fairly soon.
oink!


__________________
.
willk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15 November 2018, 17:36   #20
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Ipswich
Boat name: Click and Collect
Make: Valiant and Narwhal
Length: 4m +
Engine: Outboard
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,107
Quote:
Originally Posted by Poly View Post
He’s not happy with it, that’s why he’s asking on here hoping we convince him. Nobody here has seen it so can’t guide him on how likely he has to spend at least 4K on a retube fairly soon.
Perhaps we should let the OP answer that particularly as I used the word If

Forgive me for not agreeing with you
__________________

__________________
Bigplumbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
rib

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:01.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.