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Old 07 October 2009, 08:33   #61
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A thought..... as it's a club organised event, do the safety fleet boats need to be fully coded?

I refer to the use of a VHF by a club safety fleet on specified channels within the confines of an event and the requirements (or not, to make the point clear) to have everyone with a VHF certificate....... Does a similar "small print" coding rule allow that?
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Old 07 October 2009, 08:46   #62
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jono whether the boats should have been coded ect is irrelevant the boat was used at an agreed price with crew and as such the club should pay up but be more explicit in their job description in the future . certainly a bit embarassing for you being piggy in the middle but the father should have a bit more balls also and stand up for his kids ,if it were my kids someone would have a bloody nose if they didnt pay up .
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I refer to the use of a VHF by a club safety fleet on specified channels within the confines of an event and the requirements (or not, to make the point clear) to have everyone with a VHF certificate....... Does a similar "small print" coding rule allow that?

I beleive a club licence permits members to use the channel (and only that chanel) for appropiate use (ie organising sailing) without a licence.
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Old 07 October 2009, 08:49   #64
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Yeah, I know that for the VHF, I just wondered if there was a similar "get out clause" for sailing club rescue boats...
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A thought..... as it's a club organised event, do the safety fleet boats need to be fully coded?
See my post #19 on this thread. However, the carve-out for club-owned boats doesn't apply here because, in this case: (a) the boat wasn't 'club owned' and (b) the club paid the owner for the hire of it. So, on both counts, it was not a "pleasure vessel".
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Old 07 October 2009, 11:34   #66
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although not related to this thread reminds me about 25 years ago when a couple of amateur sport divers were hired to clear the propellers from a new ferry that had been getting fitted out by a ship yard on a tidal river for a nominal fee, a lot of debris had washed into the props ,the divers had cleared some wood ,the propshaft had not been locked off and the prop turned with the flow of the river trapping and killing the 2 scuba divers ,,as it was sport divers undertaking a [fee] it was classed a commercial operation,, it dident go down too well with the authoritys at the inquest .,,,,back to jono,, its a bit embarassing for jono as he was only the messenger , really it was down to the club and the hire boat to have sorted it all out before hand .
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personally I would not be happy to run an event with under 16 crew, however I do agree that most safety boat drivers are volunteers and despite they age are less then ideally qualified and it could be argued in an emergency they may be of no use or make the situation worse. I live by the notion that as a skipper you are responsible for your crew and they should be paid before you out of your own pocket. that is what they were promised, it is then up to you follow up with the club. I think for the amount they were getting paid you would expect people with higher experience levels. Clearly the club did not communicate this or assumed it was obvious.
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I think for the amount they were getting paid you would expect people with higher experience levels.
Your in RESCUE and you think 20 pounds a day is a high wage?
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I think for the amount they were getting paid you would expect people with higher experience levels.


On another subject-


Were the RYAC not looking for safety boats and crew for Weymouth events in exchange for money?
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ok, chewy, say you had a boat with 75hp two stroke that blows up would you be happy with a replacement 45/50 four stroke, it's about the same weight, you can guess what happens 90 percent of the time
I get a used Yam 75 off the RNLI and fit that.
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