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Old 06 October 2009, 13:35   #31
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The club should have ensured that no under 16s were on any of the safety boats as their rules don't permit this, therefore they can't have it both ways ie allowed on the boat and then not be paid.
J S's message would suggest that they did and used the boats with kids for a different activity?
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There was a total of 14 boats all with qualified crew the boats the kids were on was in addition this. The kids helped out and provided a useful service.
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Old 06 October 2009, 14:06   #32
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J S's message would suggest that they did and used the boats with kids for a different activity?
So they weren't acting as safety boat cover? Why then did Dad get paid Safety boat fee? Seems to be a mish mash of bad communication.Still say they should meet each other half way.
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Should get them kids sent here, get them trained up and make some more money:

http://rib.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32570
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Old 06 October 2009, 14:19   #34
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My opinion for what its worth ......

So ignoring the technical correctness etc as its clearly a minefield - they should be paid even if its simply on moral grounds - even if its a lower rate , but to simply to simply not pay is wrong.
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Boat A + 2 Fully Qualified Safety Boat Crew/Helm = 350.
Boat B + 1 Safety Boat Crew/Helm and 2 kids = 450?

How would you feel as the owner of Boat A? Would you bring your boat next year? Would you bother to bring your second safety boat qualified crew or just drag your kids along ?

So is the issue that 'qualified' men were charged for, but children were provided ?
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My opinion for what its worth ......

So ignoring the technical correctness etc as its clearly a minefield - they should be paid even if its simply on moral grounds - even if its a lower rate , but to simply to simply not pay is wrong.
You lot down South have too much money.
I see it as though the crew and service that was meant to be provided couldn't as the crew wern't old enough to hold the relevent qualifications.
What happens if someone else had a kid on board which was just along for the ride, should they get paid too?
How old were the kids and at what point wouldn't you pay them?
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J S's message would suggest that they did and used the boats with kids for a different activity?
The boats with the kids on were used in a safety boat capacity but may not have provided the same level of cover as some of the boats with Highly trained crew. But still did everything that was asked of them by the club.

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The boats with the kids on were used in a safety boat capacity but may not have provided the same level of cover as some of the boats with Highly trained crew. But still did everything that was asked of them by the club.

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Did "wages" reflect this?
Just seems like one big mess to be honest.
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The club simply requested-

Ribs - 150 for the week

People - 100 for the week / 20 per day and lunch

No mention of qualifications / ages / ability
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The club simply requested-

Ribs - 150 for the week

People - 100 for the week / 20 per day and lunch

No mention of qualifications / ages / ability
So you happily send un-qualified crew if the club doesn't specify qualified. Surely you realised it would be for Safety boat cover?
Bit like asking for a taxi driver and cab and getting a cab and a twelve year old, you didn't say he had to have a license....
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