Lights

[SeaSkills]

Originally Posted by 9D280

Only <7 Knots. Faster than that & you need the lot.

... and <7m (and, as Polwart pointed out earlier in this thread, it's not the actual speed but the capability to exceed 7kn which determines the need for sidelights)

[walruz]

Ok so if I am reading all things right I need a red/ green combined plus an all round white at least 1 mtr higher to be fully legal. At this point to be honest as I will MAYBE use it once or at most twice a year I start to question whether to just go ahead and play dumb if stopped . I know this is VERY controversial but all that cost for something I might NEVER use. I'm starting to think just don't bother going out in the night which I haven't yet.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by walruz

Ok so if I am reading all things right I need a red/ green combined plus an all round white at least 1 mtr higher to be fully legal. At this point to be honest as I will MAYBE use it once or at most twice a year I start to question whether to just go ahead and play dumb if stopped . I know this is VERY controversial but all that cost for something I might NEVER use. I'm starting to think just don't bother going out in the night which I haven't yet.

Nav lights might fall into the same catagory as tax and mot on the islands.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Mollers

Nav lights might fall into the same catagory as tax and mot on the islands.

Personally, I'd want them rather than dodging nav lights. There's been a couple of fatalities on the Fal in recent years, which were as a direct result of not having nav lights.

Light 'em up, big and bright.

[Rogue Wave]

Originally Posted by walruz

Thanks all.

I guess I'll look round for a tricolour single light and then figure out how to mount it on a light pole as I can't afford to fit an A frame.

Ian

http://www.safety-marine.co.uk/Navig...htm?P5001-S74-

would this do they can also be seperated

[camtheribman]

I shall stand corrected to what i said.

Good bit info to know, goes to show you learn something new every day.


Cammy

[Poly]

Originally Posted by walruz

Ok so if I am reading all things right I need a red/ green combined plus an all round white at least 1 mtr higher to be fully legal. At this point to be honest as I will MAYBE use it once or at most twice a year I start to question whether to just go ahead and play dumb if stopped . I know this is VERY controversial but all that cost for something I might NEVER use. I'm starting to think just don't bother going out in the night which I haven't yet.

Well I can almost guarantee nobody will stop you - the only time anyone will have anything to say about it will be following an accident and you might well not be here to listen to the "I told you so's" and "that's illegal" and the insurers pointing out the clause which they think means you were negligent and so not covered etc.

I fall into the same camp as you in that I very rarely go out at night, and have a very small boat. But I fitted nav lights because:

1. I'm not that experienced at night so I want anyone else to have maximum chance of avoiding me, as I might miss them.

2. I've been out on grey horrible days with pissing rain, and lights help to make me more visible.

3. I've been out in winter worrying about the short days and getting back for dusk.

4. If I breakdown then anything I can do to make myself more visible to 'help' is a good thing. Yes I have a torch but its "directional" I'd need to know where they were coming from.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Mollers

Nav lights might fall into the same catagory as tax and mot on the islands.

Or not.

http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/home...l/article.html

[cyberstoker]

Originally Posted by m chappelow

whatever you do the white needs to be at least 1 mtr higher than the red/green

I read the rules as saying that too, but I see Chandleries selling and boats using,mounted on the cabin roof, combo red/green lights with the white right on top.

So is the 1m separation recommended, or required, and if it's required, what's going on with these lights?

[Channel Ribs]

Originally Posted by cyberstoker

So is the 1m separation recommended, or required, and if it's required, what's going on with these lights?

Rule 23 covers lights for power driven vessels, at the moment I cannot find the bit about 1m of separation.

23dii Is the bit about vessels less than 7m and with a lower max speed of 7kn, but that still says that sidelights should be fitted if at all possible.

23diii Covers all round white lights being off-centre, but says that sidelights should be of all-in-one design and be on the centre line.

Any rules lawyers out there that can help?

[alystra]

I think Polwart made the most telling point. If you don't have the correct lights on while travelling between sunset and sunrise, you are unlikely to be insured should you be involved in an accident.

I would try to fit port, starboard and a separate all round white light if at all possible.

[Channel Ribs]

Originally Posted by alystra

I would try to fit port, starboard and a separate all round white light if at all possible.

I think Walruz is now seeing the benefits of three lights being better than one.

The issue is now about the 1m separation rule. I am still struggling to find it!

[Downhilldai]

Originally Posted by malthouse

The issue is now about the 1m separation rule. I am still struggling to find it!

The separation requirements are listed in Annex 1 of the IRPCS