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Old 24 March 2009, 14:59   #21
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No reply yet. I'll chase it up . . .
John, you could give Mark at the MCA a ring. He has helped Ribnet out a couple of times. Last occurance was something about charter ribs on the IOW when he put the local council back in there box over needing local boatmans licencing and the commercially endorsed RYA ones didn't count.

He has also posted on here over something else but got a bit of a hard time when he put his head over the top.

His work number is 02380 329327

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Old 25 March 2009, 15:44   #22
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4 men arrested....

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Old 25 March 2009, 16:11   #23
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This is a joke . Isn't it ?
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Old 25 March 2009, 17:49   #24
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if its a joke its well organised ,eye protection,hand protection ,bucket of water ,extinguishers ,all facing downwind.unless its some new religeous sect.though looking at a lit flare is good for tempory vision loss if you are then looking out for potential rescuers .
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Try an Italian football match if you really want some decent red flare action
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Just wait for the G20 summit in London in April - you can chuck them at boats that WILL harress you for pottering along the Thames - i bet a RIB will be seen as fair game!!!
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So it made some of you look twice

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So that image made some of you look twice.
Well spotted re the safety glasses/gloves etc

I believe the school rang the coastgaurd both before and after the 'test'

good to have tried them.
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So that image made some of you look twice.
Well spotted re the safety glasses/gloves etc

I believe the school rang the coastgaurd both before and after the 'test'

good to have tried them.
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though were still trying to work out if the guy in the blue jumper has his neck on fire ,
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John, did you manage to find any more info?
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Thanks for the reminder. I did get a reply from David Lee from the Maritime & Coastguard Agency Enforcement Unit.

Here are some excerpts from his emails:

"As you are aware of the Distress Signals and Prevention of Collisions regs, I won't go further on those other that they apply if the signal is fired from, or near a vessel. ('near would come into debate if other vessels were in the vicinity such as busy Solent, Portsmouth Harbour, harbour or coastal areas etc)"

Looking at the Distress Signals and Prevention of Collisions regs I can't find any reference to "near a vessel". He wasn't able to provide a reference for this, so I suspect it may be the normal bluster. I stand to be corrected though.

"I am not a lawyer, but I can say that there have been successful prosecutions that have been made by police forces when flares have been set off inland. These have been offences under the Firearms Act 1968 as pyrotechnics can fall under the definition under s57. Other offences include, wasting police time, breaches of the peace, public disorder, Explosives Substances Act 1874. Each case would have to be looked at on merit and generally will be vigorously pursued."

I'm sure that this is true to some extent, but would be very unlikely to apply to responsible test firing or demo. More bluster.

From his followup email:

"There is no 'specific' legislation, each case would be looked at on merit. With regard to demos etc these are dealt with on a local basis by HM Coastguard MRCCs and Sector Managers. Approved demonstrations are normally with white or green pyros so as not to attract 999 alerts and reports from aircraft.

If anyone was contemplating a demonstration, my advice would be to contact the local MRCC well in advance."


Probably so they can try to tell you that it's illegal!

The MCGA understandably don't like the idea of people firing off distress flares, but done responsibly there shouldn't be any problem. Personally, I would be inclined to follow the procedure as outlined by Doug Stormforce

Just for the record, this is my understanding of the situation but I'm not a lawyer. If you end up in jail it's your own problem!
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