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Old 17 March 2009, 12:40   #11
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Flares can be used in mountaineering as a distress signal.
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Old 17 March 2009, 14:05   #12
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You mean like these - which are still available?
No I have some myself.

It was a similar bit of kit but carried maybe 6 mini flares - you fired one - rotated the unit and fired another - a bit like a revolver. They weren't exactly banned but they made it compulsory to have a FAC for it and Chandlers would have to become registered firearms dealers so in effect it became banned.
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with some of the mini comet type flares it was a grey area /some said they were firearms whilst others said it has no barrell as the whole flare cartridge is ejected like a rocket and the launcher was just for protection and not a barrell, or so they say ..
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No I have some myself.

It was a similar bit of kit but carried maybe 6 mini flares - you fired one - rotated the unit and fired another - a bit like a revolver. They weren't exactly banned but they made it compulsory to have a FAC for it and Chandlers would have to become registered firearms dealers so in effect it became banned.
Ah OK - I vaguely remember them.
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You mean a Verey pistol?
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You mean a Verey pistol?
no a very pistol!
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the original very pistols use a 16 gauge cartridge and for them you do need a firearms certificate in the uk and there are some smaller plastic ones now available that fire a star shell bit like the mini flare ,we have just had our lifeboat meeting this evening and i brought this subject up regarding flares ect and we were trying to work out the legalitys ,just had a go with one of the lazer type flares too,dont think it would go on the end of a parachute though lol.
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No I have some myself.

It was a similar bit of kit but carried maybe 6 mini flares - you fired one - rotated the unit and fired another - a bit like a revolver. They weren't exactly banned but they made it compulsory to have a FAC for it and Chandlers would have to become registered firearms dealers so in effect it became banned.
I remember those-my father had one on his yacht in the '80s. It had a hexagonal revolvable flare cartridge coupled to the top of what was effectively like the 'penjector' mechanism from the Pains-Wessex Miniflares. The cartridge was removed,turned sideways and clipped into the handle when not in use. The whole lot was bright orange.

He got a firearms licence for his and kept it for ages but the police became more and more obstructive about it as the FAC requirements got tougher. From memory, he ended up handing it in because the police refused to let him keep the 'ammunition' in the same place as the 'gun' and they tried to insist it was kept in a locked box at all times unless it was about to be fired.They didn't want him to take it to the boat unless it was stored separately from the 'ammo' in two separate locked boxes either. Sometimes you have to wonder why we bother...
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That's what I'm thinking. I'll email the MCA and see what they say.
No reply yet. I'll chase it up . . .
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Old 24 March 2009, 13:34   #20
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Flares

Thanks for following this up John, it might be worth a post in the Commercial Forum to see if anyone there knows.

Be interesting to see what the MCA says and whether they are able to specify with precision the legislative base for a general prohibition on non-emergency use, and who may authorise relaxation and if so for what specified purposes.


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