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Old 27 April 2006, 15:22   #191
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I've just got back from a demo run in the 6.3 (kindly proved by storm force) it's a great Rib, Fantastic Fun. We then went to his work place, we were shown his range, discussed the various layout and options and have placed our order, it just a shame we are in a queue. Leeway offer a great product, at outstanding value, personalised to your requirements, layout, colour etc... All for well under £8000. Why buy second hand and compromise when you can have a Rib, new, just how you want, with full approval and warranties. I originally posted the question is it a good Rib, and I've had to answer it myself, Yes it a very good Rib, Build quality great, Value for money is unbelievable, if anyone is in doubt, they should go and see for themselves.
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Old 27 April 2006, 20:47   #192
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G L - by far the most productive post on this subject, and a shame it had to be answered by the person that posted the question! I have looked at this thread, originally with a chuckle, but laterally I have thought it quite a shame that most of the input has just been a load of cock, completely unhelpful, and alot obviously written by people without a clue and mainly with the intent of bringing others down. These fights should be left between the owner of the original design (if really 100% copied) and the manufacturers. Until it gets to that point after a court battle the true answer would be out and before that nobody should stick their viagra fuelled noses in. Leeway is run by a competant lad lacking no enthusiasm who sells a well finished product. Whilst it is unfortunate that he is rising to the slagging match it is hardly surprising as it is quite obvious that he has put many, many hours of work in whether it be 'cutting and shutting' to make a mould - this process is as time consuming as making a plug from scratch and for all intents and purposes is as difficult if not more as so many alterations are required to the donor to tweak it (i am fully aware of the work in mould making as I have made plugs and moulds of this size in GRP myself) . He will want as much as any other creative person to defend himself and his product . So in the future can we have more constructive threads which may persuade people who are new to this site that we are not talking cock and hopefully promote the sport more!

And G L can you report back with some (hopefully great) results when you are afloat ?
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Old 28 April 2006, 03:01   #193
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I've just got back from a demo run in the 6.3 (kindly proved by storm force) it's a great Rib, Fantastic Fun. We then went to his work place, we were shown his range, discussed the various layout and options and have placed our order, it just a shame we are in a queue. Leeway offer a great product, at outstanding value, personalised to your requirements, layout, colour etc... All for well under £8000. Why buy second hand and compromise when you can have a Rib, new, just how you want, with full approval and warranties. I originally posted the question is it a good Rib, and I've had to answer it myself, Yes it a very good Rib, Build quality great, Value for money is unbelievable, if anyone is in doubt, they should go and see for themselves.
thank you GL for shearing your helpfull opinions to others. I think going by the number of phone calls, demo runs and orders taken people are doing the same as yourself and coming to look at the product for them self. it is a shame this forum has a lot of people that are quite happy to back stab and others that want the competition gone so much they get there friends to post absolute rubbish that is no help to man or beast.
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Old 28 April 2006, 03:27   #194
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G L - by far the most productive post on this subject, and a shame it had to be answered by the person that posted the question!
I am pleased that “GL” was happy with the boat he tested, but there’s no reason why the boat shouldn’t be “sweet handling” assuming that it was built properly

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…..alot obviously written by people without a clue …

Without a clue ? Yeah.. right ..boat builders, ex-racers, marine engineers… all who have seen the boat with the wonky portside and who know the Phantom range intimately.


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…and mainly with the intent of bringing others down. …

..or perhaps are just pissed off at the blatant lying that Leeway has been doing. Don’t forget he went from “100% my CAD designed plug and boat” to “Cut’n shut” two hard boat hulls.


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These fights should be left between the owner of the original design (if really 100% copied) and the manufacturers. …
I’m sure you missed out on the part where the financially viability of doing that was discussed.


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Until it gets to that point after a court battle the true answer would be out and before that nobody should stick their viagra fuelled noses in. …

…and perhaps you can be constructive too.




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'cutting and shutting' to make a mould - this process is as time consuming as making a plug from scratch and for all intents and purposes is as difficult if not more as so many alterations are required to the donor to tweak it (i am fully aware of the work in mould making as I have made plugs and moulds of this size in GRP myself) . …
…and how much time goes into the design and testing ? Or perhaps you’re just talking through your “Viagra fuelled nose” yourself.




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So in the future can we have more constructive threads, which may persuade people who are new to this site that we are not talking cock and hopefully promote the sport more! …
Constructive ? What… just like your little rant. Hypocrite.

Have a nice day…..
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Old 28 April 2006, 03:29   #195
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......others that want the competition gone so much they get there friends to post absolute rubbish that is no help to man or beast.


So who has posted on this thread that is in anyway in "competition" with you?
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Old 28 April 2006, 03:45   #196
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that most of the input has just been a load of cock, completely unhelpful, and alot obviously written by people without a clue
I think the main people making comment here are very knowledgeable people including boat builders themselves. Very few people outside of the industry have said anything so I don't think your correct

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These fights should be left between the owner of the original design
I somewhat agree with you here but nether-the-less I'm sure you agree that stealing someone elses work, if that what Leeway has done, does not mean its ok?

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he has put many, many hours of work in whether it be 'cutting and shutting' to make a mould
That would be a great defence in court " well me-lord I did commit the robbery but please take into account that there was a lot of planning before we did it". I'm sure that Leeway does make a great boat and I'm sure that having used a great hull design, such as the Phantom, will enhance his product but why doesn't he say so and pay what looks like a small amount to the owner of the design.

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as I have made plugs and moulds of this size in GRP myself)
Are you saying that after making a plug and mould that you'd be happy for some stranger to turn up and take a copy so that they could make money out of it. I find that very strange

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Old 28 April 2006, 03:54   #197
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So who has posted on this thread that is in anyway in "competition" with you?
I would think he is referring to Gav, although the Seaquel 600 XS is a very different beast all togther in comparison to a Rib, although I believe the pricings are similar.
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Old 28 April 2006, 05:01   #198
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.....Value for money is unbelievable......
So don’t believe it if something sounds too good to be true, it often is. Leeway keeps saying his ribs are too cheap so he has to either put the price up or cut costs (quality) or go bust. All of which make the current ‘value for money’ unbelievable. Des
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Old 28 April 2006, 05:14   #199
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Des makes a good point, Leeway’s Rib are cheap, but they are of very high standard, and I'm sure that his next step will be to put his prices up, now that he has established him self in the Rib market. Buy now before its to late.....
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Old 28 April 2006, 06:17   #200
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Jonon , Mark, Im not trying to defend Leeway if he has knocked someone elses design, and to be true I dont really give a monkeys. Let the courts decide that. If it was my design and I was 100% sure about it I would 100% take it to court. The fact that Leeway isnt in court and I would be surprised if he ends up in court surely shows off that the true owner of the design does not really care or acknoledges the fact that the design has been changed quite a bit. Again I dont really give a monkeys, ribs evolve. I own a P22 and it has evolved off another boat. Im not going to get involved any further as me going on about the design argument contradicts my earlier post. Time will tell on all aspects of Leeways boats. I have seen some bangers made by different companies, almost home made looking. The quality that I have seen on Leeways boat may put some reputable makes to shame.
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